Four people plus suspect dead in Washington state shooting

a reply to: MOMof3

You can look up the statistics if you want, it paints a clear picture - No one in my family has ever shot each other, but there has been plenty of domestic violence in my family, just not the fatal kind. No one in my family has ever been shot by a stranger, either.

I'll give three examples, though, of fatal domestic violence that occurred around me: I went to school with Samantha Jean Russ, only lived a few blocks from her. She was murdered by a close friend of her father's. I went to school with a pair of identical twin sisters, one accidentally shot and killed the other while playing with a hunting rifle. The local guy who cut everyone's lawn in my neighborhood went to prison for manslaughter at a very young age, he shot and killed his best friend during an argument over a girl (he said his friend pulled the gun, they wrestled over it, and it went off accidentally).

These acts of violence all occurred in a small suburban town with a very low crime rate. I can't really think of anyone I knew personally that was shot, or grievously harmed in a random act of violence - but I can recall plenty more acts of domestic and interpersonal violence. Even most shootings in poor neighborhoods are acts of domestic or interpersonal violence - friends/acquaintances feuding, boiling over to violence.

There are random acts of violence, but it is astronomically dwarfed by domestic and interpersonal violence.

a reply to: Syyth007

I appreciate your facts. But the only thing that ever saved my life, was instinct. I'm going to go with that in this time of hate and violence.

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: Syyth007

Uh huh.

Well, no one in my family so far has shot one another.

And i'm sure, up to this point, the same was true of the family in the news article.

Paranoia is dangerous.

a reply to: Daedalus

Are you a doctor? If you don't like the idea fine. But I am perfectly sane.

a reply to: MOMof3

No Ma'am, i'm not a doctor..

But you don't need to be one to know that constant paranoia is not a normal state.

Paranoia gave us the Japanese internment camps of WWII, McCarthyism, and the current fear of Muslims. Not really a positive thing, paranoia...

a reply to: Daedalus

I am not afraid of people. I am afraid of automatics that a child has zero chance of surviving.

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: Daedalus

I am not afraid of people. I am afraid of automatics that a child has zero chance of surviving.

Automatics... i'm assuming you're referring to firearms.

Your fears are unfounded, because they are exceedingly rare, due to current regulations. Additionally, one has never been used in a school shooting. I find a lot of times that fear is born out of ignorance. There is nothing wrong with being ignorant, it's when someone is WILLFULLY ignorant, that you end up with problems.

Remember: An error doesn't become a mistake, until you refuse to correct it.

a reply to: Daedalus

I am thinking of the bodies of the children of Newtown.

You sir, are why God made grandmothers.

I will not continue debate with you and the abuse of calling me paranoid,ignorant.

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: Daedalus

I am thinking of the bodies of the children of Newtown.

Which were not produced by an automatic weapon.

You sir, are why God made grandmothers.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by that.

My grandmother was a very wise, very smart woman...brave, strong, kind, and knowledgeable about a great many things.. She was one of the best human beings i ever had the honor of knowing, and the world is a bit dimmer without her in it.

I will not continue debate with you and the abuse of calling me paranoid,ignorant.

I meant no offense. I was only making observations, and stating facts.

a reply to: Daedalus

No, you are trying to muddy the waters.

Yeah, the results of people withdrawing worries me too. But, better than being an open target.

originally posted by: Kantjil
Wonder why i feel safer in the ghetto in south africa than i do in the USA

really, a wiki cause it's fast. if you want you can go and find even more details in a google search.

Murder
Around 49 people are murdered in South Africa each day.[5] The murder rate increased rapidly in the late 1980s and early 1990s.[6] Between 1994 and 2009, the murder rate halved from 67 to 34 murders per 100,000 people.[7] Between 2011 and 2015, it stabilized to around 32 homicides per 100,000 people although the total number of lives lost has increased due to the increase in population.[5] There have been numerous press reports on the manipulation of crime statistics that have highlighted the existence of incentives not to record violent crime.[8] Nonetheless, murder statistics are considered accurate.[9] Homicides per 100,000 from April to March:[10][11]

Crime in South Africa

Footnote 5 is from Sept of last year.

A total of 17,805 murders were committed from April 2014 to March 2015 as authorities struggle to stem violent crime South African police officers in Cape Town South African police officers try to contain a protest against the lack of policing in Masiphumelele, Cape Town. Photograph: Nic Bothma/EPA Agencies in Johannesburg Tuesday 29 September 2015 13.26 EDT Last modified on Tuesday 29 September 2015 18.27 EDT South Africa’s murder rate has jumped 4.6% in the past year, with almost 49 people killed every day. A total of 17,805 murders were committed from April 2014 to March 2015, an increase of 782 deaths from the year before in a population of 54 million.
South Africa 'a country at war' as murder rate soars to nearly 49 a day

as you see in red the murder rate for a year was 4.6% for a country of 54 million, the U.S. murder rate was about the same at 4.7% for a country with with just about six times the people, 320 Million if i recall correctly.

chart is from here, Death Penalty Information Center
i dare say that if SA had the same amount of people, the rate would be at least 6 times higher. i wouldn't feel safe.

so i think that i'll stay in the U.S., and leave you to your chances in the ghettos of south Afrika, (said in my best Afrikaner voice )
the South Afrika that mandela dreamed of, the home of the tire neckless his wife iircc winnie said as she stuck her match.

In 1986 Winnie Mandela, then-wife of the imprisoned Nelson Mandela, stated "With our boxes of matches and our necklaces we shall liberate this country"
Necklacing

originally posted by: Kantjil
Wonder why i feel safer in the ghetto in south africa than i do in the USA

Because you've successfully downed American Liberal/Progressive Kool Aid?

a reply to: chuck258

Well mostly cause scared animals are scary..

Didn't Washington just pass strict gun control laws and does anyone have any info on when the gun used was purchased?

a reply to: MOMof3

I think you should take note of this fact graphic I am "retweeting" which I am sure you saw on the last thread which you also had a similar opinion on:

originally posted by: neo96
'Gun violence'.
'Gun murders'

Are made up terms by politicos to push FEAR porn.

This is the only statistic that matters

Less than one percent of the population breaks that law that says 'thou shall not kill'.

Paraphrased of course.

My elementary age kids go to a school with an armed guard. He used to only carry a taser. After Sandy Hook, and a law passed in Florida, he is now armed with a real pistol. Thank goodness. He is a retired officer, with his own family, and a stand up guy. I thank our legislators for having sense to make it possible.

This domestic incident in the OP was just not preventable by anyone outside that family. There were clearly some issues that were not being dealt with which unfortunately blew up the way it did. What shame. 1.5 million CWP's (Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services Division of Licensing Number of Licensees by Type As of January 31, 2016)

The only rare mass shootings we ever have are typically domestic attacks such as this. A damn shame some families and couple don't seek counseling for their issues and end up taking the kids down with them.

a reply to: AmericanRealist

Let's see if those levels continue the next 10 years. My instincts say they are going to increase. The anger, the tribal divisions, we be the ME developing.

a reply to: MOMof3

I rest my case. People need to underground. Get our kids out of target practice arena:

www.cnn.com...

a reply to: MOMof3

So you believe people should go "underground" because of mass shootings, do you also not let your kids ride in a car, swim, and use the stairs because those all have more deaths each year than mass shootings?

a reply to: nancyliedersdeaddog

Hey, you want to put your kids out there during this time of violence go for it. I am taking the position that we are prey and time to get out of the open.

a reply to: MOMof3

We are at a time when homicide, gun deaths, and violent crime is way down compared to the 90's/2000-10. If you look at the stats the numbers have consistently been going down. You didn't answer my question though if you are that worried about your kids being killed in a mass shooting do you also not let your kids ride in a car, swim, or use stairs because they have a better chance dying those ways then in a mass shooting? I thought liberals were supposed to be all about the facts and not be paranoid.