Meet the B-21

originally posted by: robi1000
a reply to: StargateSG7

Why is normal flame colour yellowish orange and sometimes green?

How could we make it green?

Well the level of gas excitation plays a roll in color too, the whole electron returning to it's original state thingy.

a reply to: BASSPLYR

Very good!

originally posted by: robi1000
a reply to: BASSPLYR

Very good!

Although I'm not totally sure. I think they are maybe sensitive to discussing this specific technology. So, I self redacted my earlier post. Pretty much explained the whole process (via Hints) and figured "ehhh maybe not such a good idea."

The techs getting popular from what I can tell too. Seen more than one thing I suspect is using it fly overhead early mornings. A game changer IMHO

Green Lady must be one fast MoFo. Faster than maybe speculated.

originally posted by: robi1000
a reply to: StargateSG7

Why is normal flame colour yellowish orange and sometimes green?

How could we make it green?

Normal (hydrocarbon) flames aren't orange, they are blue when they're combusting properly. The orangey colour only happens when there is insufficient oxygen to combust completely, and so the carbon either fails to burn resulting in black soot, and carbon monoxide gas. The orange is because the normally black soot is hot enough to glow red/orange/white hot in a process called blackbody radiation. That's why a candle flame is blue at the bottom (complete combustion) and orange at the top (oxygen used up, not enough mixing for complete combustion). Industrial heat torches almost always are entirely blue during operation because incomplete combustion tends to be wasteful as the light is unnecessary to the process.

Other coloured flames happen when other chemicals oxidise. You can get bright red from Lithium. Many other colours apply. The most important one to us here is green, and that is caused by copper, barium, and boron (probably among others). Boron is familiar to us because it was used in the SR-71 as a starter material in the form of Triethylborane (TEB). This may or may not be the source of our newest green flame. Stress on may or may not because without spectroscopy going by colour is not generally a conclusive result.

originally posted by: anzha
a reply to: StargateSG7

xkcd.com...

Thank you for answering.

oh well..the greenish hue thing was just a guess
about plasma sheathing and plasmadynamic engines!

I don't suppose the greenish thing also has to do with
the fact that combustion takes place OUTSIDE the plane
and that fuel (whichever one!) is being injected in-between
the outer heat-resistant hull and a laminar airflow to create
a VIRTUAL SCRAMJET engine???

The green thing could be simple ionization during
fuel superheating or maybe someone added magnesium
or aluminum powder into the mix plus a lot of oxygen?
That MIGHT do it...I ain't a chemist so I am guessing here!

Am I getting close?

i.e. the Injection of fuel between Hull and outer airflow?


Basically THIS PATENT but applied to air/fuel mixture for aerospace planes:

www.google.com...

FOUND ONE ITERATION OF WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT:

Aerospike Engine:
en.wikipedia.org...

and this:

en.wikipedia.org...

originally posted by: Darkpr0

originally posted by: robi1000
a reply to: StargateSG7

Why is normal flame colour yellowish orange and sometimes green?

How could we make it green?

Normal (hydrocarbon) flames aren't orange, they are blue when they're combusting properly. The orangey colour only happens when there is insufficient oxygen to combust completely, and so the carbon either fails to burn resulting in black soot, and carbon monoxide gas. The orange is because the normally black soot is hot enough to glow red/orange/white hot in a process called blackbody radiation. That's why a candle flame is blue at the bottom (complete combustion) and orange at the top (oxygen used up, not enough mixing for complete combustion). Industrial heat torches almost always are entirely blue during operation because incomplete combustion tends to be wasteful as the light is unnecessary to the process.

Other coloured flames happen when other chemicals oxidise. You can get bright red from Lithium. Many other colours apply. The most important one to us here is green, and that is caused by copper, barium, and boron (probably among others). Boron is familiar to us because it was used in the SR-71 as a starter material in the form of Triethylborane (TEB). This may or may not be the source of our newest green flame. Stress on may or may not because without spectroscopy going by colour is not generally a conclusive result.

Mind ....Blown

I'm glad you entered the aviation forum. You're totally giving us a lot to think about. Say what do you think the Amarillo bird is? I'd love to see your render about her. You were pretty close with the Green lady. So would be cool to see what you think the Amarillo bird looks like.

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
You were pretty close with the Green lady. So would be cool to see what you think the Amarillo bird looks like.

Was I? The threads on the green lady grew so big I stopped reading it, but if I was then that's good. As for the Amarillo bird, I'm really not sure. Best guesstimate would be a demonstrator, or something like it. Whatever it is, they're clearly not too busted up about it because it's leaving contrails in broad daylight over populated areas. I haven't been following it all that closely either, and probably won't until more evidence comes to light. My expectation is that it's not terribly interesting or it would be under considerably greater secrecy. It's possible that it hides something far more intriguing under the skin, or perhaps they will use it to run interference while the develop another, more interesting craft while people look the other way.

a reply to: Darkpr0

AH crap that last post of mine was intended for Stargate.

Sorry about that.

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: Darkpr0

AH crap that last post of mine was intended for Stargate.

Sorry about that.

The Amarillo Bird and Wichita bird I think are the
same birds probably very much designed to act
like the old A12 Avenger but as an ADDED TWIST
they COULD BE Swing-Wing like
the old F-111 Aardvarks to fool us
into thinking they are DIFFERENT craft.

but in my opinion it will look something POSSIBLY similar
to these two kids drawing renders:


Amarillo Texas Craft - Version 1:
files.abovetopsecret.com...

Amarillo Texas Craft - Version 2:
files.abovetopsecret.com...


Those are just best guesses on my part though....

a reply to: BASSPLYR
Hehehe, you sir, just crack me up. Classic, just classic

a reply to: nelloh62

a reply to: StargateSG7

the two aircraft do appear very similar Wichita and amarillo. I think they're the same size. I wouldn't put swing wings out of question either.

what's the craziest platform you've heard about. I'd like to hear about it. oh and with a picture too. they help us picture what youre describing.

what's crazy is the accuracy of the green lady depiction. either youre super lucky at guessing or you really do know a ton of stuff you probably shouldnt.

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: StargateSG7

the two aircraft do appear very similar Wichita and amarillo. I think they're the same size. I wouldn't put swing wings out of question either.

what's the craziest platform you've heard about. I'd like to hear about it. oh and with a picture too. they help us picture what youre describing.

what's crazy is the accuracy of the green lady depiction. either youre super lucky at guessing or you really do know a ton of stuff you probably shouldnt.

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The word is "Alcohol" and lots of it!

I t has NEVER failed me as a means to obtain information
that is possibly illegal, immoral and/or fattening!

originally posted by: StargateSG7

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: StargateSG7

the two aircraft do appear very similar Wichita and amarillo. I think they're the same size. I wouldn't put swing wings out of question either.

what's the craziest platform you've heard about. I'd like to hear about it. oh and with a picture too. they help us picture what youre describing.

what's crazy is the accuracy of the green lady depiction. either youre super lucky at guessing or you really do know a ton of stuff you probably shouldnt.

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The word is "Alcohol" and lots of it!

I t has NEVER failed me as a means to obtain information
that is possibly illegal, immoral and/or fattening!

I've tried 211 but that doesn't seem to work. what am I doing wrong. I figured that would get the job done.

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: StargateSG7

the two aircraft do appear very similar Wichita and amarillo. I think they're the same size. I wouldn't put swing wings out of question either.

what's the craziest platform you've heard about. I'd like to hear about it. oh and with a picture too. they help us picture what youre describing.

what's crazy is the accuracy of the green lady depiction. either youre super lucky at guessing or you really do know a ton of stuff you probably shouldnt.

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There are MANY aerospace platforms that have been worked on
in the last 50 years that I know about. My favorite one though is
actually from Germany called Fluge-Gerade (or my best literal
translation as "Flying Motorcycle") A similar flat-bladed object
called Flugelrade from the 1940's is NOT the one I am describing
but rather a slightly different one that has a more
conically-shaped fan-blade system.

1940's era Conically-shaped Fluge-Gerade:

Conically-oriented S-shaped fan blades rotate around
a central core at a 45 degree angle creating a vortex
similar to a Rotax-style water impeller (i.e. like a
Jet Ski or Seadoo) In 1945 the original engines
were to be BMW’s around 2500 horsepower.

With today's technology the same configuration
can be built at say 15,000 HP using linear induction
and the titanium fan blades can be rotated at
around at 5000 to 7,000 RPM.

It would be incredibly stable and should do
5000 KMH (3000 MPH) easily probably up
to 8000 kmh (5000mph) if pushed.

It was an incredible design for the 1940’s
BUT the more flat-bladed Flugelrade design
was the one that the Project Paperclip guys
got working out of Germany rather than the more
efficient Conical-shaped Fluge-Gerade design.

See general Conical side-view planform-shape:
files.abovetopsecret.com...


That is my FAVORITE design!

a reply to: StargateSG7

en.wikipedia.org...

originally posted by: BASSPLYR

originally posted by: StargateSG7

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: StargateSG7

the two aircraft do appear very similar Wichita and amarillo. I think they're the same size. I wouldn't put swing wings out of question either.

what's the craziest platform you've heard about. I'd like to hear about it. oh and with a picture too. they help us picture what youre describing.

what's crazy is the accuracy of the green lady depiction. either youre super lucky at guessing or you really do know a ton of stuff you probably shouldnt.

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The word is "Alcohol" and lots of it!

I t has NEVER failed me as a means to obtain information
that is possibly illegal, immoral and/or fattening!

I've tried 211 but that doesn't seem to work. what am I doing wrong. I figured that would get the job done.

The key is DO NOT CHEAP OUT ON THE DRINKS !!!!!

Real French Cognac! Real German Brandy! Real Kentucky Bourbon!

And add some RED MEAT! Philly Cheesesteak and RIB-EYE cuts
or fullsize Porter House cuts --- Works like a charm!

originally posted by: mbkennel
a reply to: StargateSG7

en.wikipedia.org...

Let me take a guess ..... for one or both of these two craft:

Hi-flyers or Sub-Orbitals:
files.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: StargateSG7

I like me some bourbon and rib eye. but nothing beats bass's slow cooked, lightly smoked, baby back ribs.

don't worry when it comes to classy drinks I never cut corners. ever heard of New Amsterdam? yeah, that right there.

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: StargateSG7

I like me some bourbon and rib eye. but nothing beats bass's slow cooked, lightly smoked, baby back ribs.

don't worry when it comes to classy drinks I never cut corners. ever heard of New Amsterdam? yeah, that right there.

Think like a reporter when grabbing details....that all that's needed!

People have needs and GOOD food and drink is an absolute requirement
when trying to finangle information from them....I must admit I do miss
those days when we could use the Rubber Hose Method of information
retrieval on our insurgent information scofflaws ...cough cough...sorry....
our industry contacts! :-) ;-)

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I know Vancouver itself (where I live and work) is known as New Amsterdam
...or...are you talking about something like the name of the Cafe'?