"I studied christian theologie. What a waste of time." - Sören Kierkegaard

a reply to: Willingly

What did Kant teach and Popper follows in the same term.. What did they teach? Isnt that complicated and you can sum it up in one phrase or quote..

Do you know what Kant is about, do tell me, im all ears..

a reply to: missedinformation

You mean...it's a sh!tty story? If it is a story at all?

a reply to: Kantjil

Do you know what Kant is about, do tell me, im all ears..

Sure. Kant's message is, paraphrased:

"I'm in awe about the stars above me and the eternal law inside of me."

a reply to: Willingly

wow, listen.. When you understand come back, you have no idea..

Both feet on the ground, dont trick yourself into a mastermind, when you can see the basics..

originally posted by: Willingly
a reply to: Ghost147
Now you're defending the bible, Ghost147? How comes? I'm really curious.

How did you get "Defending the bible" out of that?

I was referring to your paradoxical remarks: Presenting yourself as superior, saying "discuss this with me if you dare", and then also claim that you are not an expert on the bible.

I was defending logic.

But, that being said, if you made a claim about the bible that was simply not true, I would also correct that statement with proof. I don't hold some sort of bias against the bible, if that's what you were getting at.

originally posted by: Willingly
a reply to: Ghost147
I'm interested in endings, regarding so called scriptures. Just because I'm a writer. I learn by engaging with experts in some field. Something wrong with that so far?

Nope, nothing wrong with that at all, the OP just came off as arrogant is all.

a reply to: Kantjil

wow, listen.. When you understand come back, you have no idea.. Both feet on the ground, dont trick yourself into a mastermind, when you can see the basics.

You wanna teach me something I don't know already? Please do so and enjoy. I'm all ears.

a reply to: Ghost147

I was defending logic.

Pre or post logic? Or simply some sort of logic you think it's logical?

Nope, nothing wrong with that at all, the OP just came off as arrogant is all.

Yah, I overstand. Confidence to some comes across as arrogance. But that's just projection, dude. Sorry.

a reply to: Willingly

Im sure you know a lot, start with Plato

a reply to: Willingly

I clicked on the thread title expecting an interesting read regarding existentialism's relationship to Christianity.. Perhaps an analysis of the fundamental differences between the practices of atheistic existentialism and Christian existentialism, or maybe even a look at how the acceptance of a deity might influence personal existential philosophies..

Sadly I was disappointed. There is not much substance and nothing really about Kierkegaard's or anyone else's existentialism, just an apparent dismissal of Christianity's logic and reason, and a request to discuss Revelation without quoting scripture....?

I understand you are a writer and you are looking for "expert" opinions, I just find it difficult to understand how anyone would be able to provide such opinions when you apparently find theology a waste of time and label these experts "lunatics"..

"The Bible is very easy to understand. But we Christians are a bunch of scheming swindlers. We pretend to be unable to understand it because we know very well that the minute we understand, we are obliged to act accordingly."
-Søren Kierkegaard

'Existentialism is not atheist in the sense that it would exhaust itself in demonstrations of the non-existence of God. It declares, rather, that even if God existed, that would change nothing.'
-Jean Paul Sartre

a reply to: Kantjil

Im sure you know a lot, start with Plato

You mean the Symposion? Or some other piece of platonic literature?

a reply to: spygeek

I clicked on the thread title expecting an interesting read regarding existentialism's relationship to Christianity.. Perhaps an analysis of the fundamental differences between the practices of atheistic existentialism and Christian existentialism, or maybe even a look at how the acceptance of a deity might influence personal existential philosophies.... Sadly I was disappointed.

I'm not here to satisfy your intellectual needs, wants and desires.

There is not much substance and nothing really about Kierkegaard's or anyone else's existentialism, just an apparent dismissal of Christianity's logic and reason, and a request to discuss Revelation without quoting scripture....?

What you might call a lack of substance, I call....give it any name you want to.

"The Bible is very easy to understand. But we Christians are a bunch of scheming swindlers. We pretend to be unable to understand it because we know very well that the minute we understand, we are obliged to act accordingly." -Søren Kierkegaard

So? What does that tell you?

'Existentialism is not atheist in the sense that it would exhaust itself in demonstrations of the non-existence of God. It declares, rather, that even if God existed, that would change nothing.' -Jean Paul Sartre

Jean Paul Sartre called for a cathic priest on his death-bed, I heard through the grapewine. Now YOU tell me what kind of existentialist he was.

originally posted by: Willingly
a reply to: chr0naut

Why throw yourself against a brick wall?

Because I have nothing better to do, it seem. Something wrong with that?

The scene opens with Sören Kierkegaard and his mother:

M: "Sören, my child, here, have a bratwůrst sandwich".

S: "My mother, I do not like bratwůrst".

M: "Oh dear, one cannot sit around all the day thinking such unhappy thoughts. One must earn money to put food on the table. Consider your cousin, Thungårten Ölefsbardgleuk, who is a successful bratwůrst manufacturer! You should be more like him".

S: Mother of mine, I do not like bratwůrst and I have been experimenting with a new comedy style; Dutch Existential Comedy, doing stand-up performances".

M: "You will starve".

S: "Mother, without doubt, I will die alone, sick and in terror".

M: "You say the funniest things, my offspring".

S: "I did not say that in a humorous context, my mother".

M: "It is so hard to tell when you should laugh at Dutch Existential Comedy".

S: "That is a true statement".

Drum offstage goes 'Badoom Tish' and the curtains close to restrained, polite applause.

originally posted by: Willingly
a reply to: Ghost147
Yah, I overstand. Confidence to some comes across as arrogance. But that's just projection, dude. Sorry.

The thing about Arrogance is that it's rarely acknowledged by those whom hold it.

In your OP alone you've addressed people's cowardice, you've portrayed yourself as over-confident, yet readily state that you are no expert, you've called people lunatics, you've forced the conversation into an impossible direction by rejecting anything to do with biblical quotes, and you've present your specific position as a superior one to others.

This arrogance is clearly recognized by other members here who have also expressed a disappointment in the context within the OP as well as your continued responses, which also come off as arrogant.

Perhaps it was not your intention, but I suggest responding and forming a topic that comes of far more humble, rather than authoritative, demanding, and aggressive.

Good luck with the rest of your topic

a reply to: Willingly
That's not being a masochist. A masochist would try to understand the whole of it. The ending's the best. Who doesn't like some good old doom porn?

originally posted by: frostie
a reply to: Willingly

Sorry, I never made it to the end of the book,

Well, I closed it at "In the beginning God created."

Yes....the only book that addresses the beginning of time......and it went right by ya...

Or maybe revelations can be used as a manual by mystics for something real in the body:

originally posted by: Willingly
Wanna discuss the "book of revelation" with me, christians?

Yes

originally posted by: Willingly
I'm not an expert, but I have an idea.

Shoot

originally posted by: Willingly
Anybody? Who is not into quoting the bible all day long only, but is honestely interested?

I am. What do you want to discuss about Revelation? It's eschatological literature, which was popular among Jews at the time. You want to discuss its context? Its interpretation? Its symbolism?

If you want a good overview of the various interpretations of it, just check on the net:
en.wikipedia.org...

originally posted by: Willingly
Wanna discuss the "book of revelation" with me, christians? I'm not an expert, but I have an idea.

I can offer you a place where Revelation can be discussed.
Revelation; Project complete

a reply to: Ghost147

The thing about Arrogance is that it's rarely acknowledged by those whom hold it.

The difference between arrogance and confidence is small, but profound. That's all I have to say about that particular issue, once and for all in this context.

In your OP alone you've addressed people's cowardice, you've portrayed yourself as over-confident, yet readily state that you are no expert, you've called people lunatics, you've forced the conversation into an impossible direction by rejecting anything to do with biblical quotes, and you've present your specific position as a superior one to others.

So? Anybody got a bloody nose by what I've said? No?? How comes? And sure, I'm superiour in my dressing-style. But that's just an assumption.

This arrogance is clearly recognized by other members here who have also expressed a disappointment in the context within the OP as well as your continued responses, which also come off as arrogant.

Other members don't like me? Buh-huh-huh-huh!!! I thought I'm cute and funny and wise and such...well...I guess I'm not. Seems as if I'm a christian too...given the fact how un-popular I seem to be in your eyes.

Perhaps it was not your intention, but I suggest responding and forming a topic that comes of far more humble, rather than authoritative, demanding, and aggressive.

I can't be humble. Sorry. I'm not that great.

a reply to: Willingly

Why im not helping you is cause you are to young to understand, called hormones.. You put your "life" experience together with ideals + a narcissistic persona, kinda makes a cluster f*** of wrongs..