‘White Privilege’ training for teachers-Pacific Educational Group

originally posted by: Dark Ghost
a reply to: Spider879

White privilege is a myth. It is no more than unwarranted guilt-by-association.

White people are NOT afforded any extra rights or privileges in virtue of their skin colour alone. Deep down, you know this, I know this and everyone else on this website knows.

The reality is that if you are black in the USA (a minority) in a predominately white (majority) population and contribute disproportionately to crime in relation to your population numbers, people will stereotype you. The same thing would happen if crime by white people was disproportionate in numbers to the white population living in a country like Ethiopia, which is a predominantly black population.

I have already explained why this is not so in earlier post, it have nothing to do with actual crime rates and goes back way before the so called explosion in high crime stats among Blacks.

a reply to: Spider879

Ok, let's backtrack a bit. What do YOU define as white privilege?

originally posted by: TonyS
"White Privilege" insures they'll always be at the back of the bus of opportunity.

A black person calling a typical hard working white person: privileged. Is like a white person calling a black person the "N" word.
The ethnophaulism is just too insulting.

originally posted by: Dark Ghost
a reply to: Spider879

Ok, let's backtrack a bit. What do YOU define as white privilege?

A set of positive assumptions accorded to whites ie benefit of doubt for instance whether deserving or not , often contrasted with negative assumptions to blacks and sometimes others deserving or not.
edit.
Those assumptions is not necessarily held by whites only Blacks can also assume those positive assumptions.

originally posted by: Spider879

originally posted by: SprocketUK
I suppose all the bikers that were shot in Waco a while back and all the ones arrested and held on million dollar bonds etc were dead thankful for their white privilege...

Yet ppl don't associate biker warfare with white ppl there are no calls for whites or their leaders to stop white and white crimes or meth/heroin epidemic plaguing some predominately white communities , the assumption which is correct is those are just bad ppl and in no way represent the white community.

Let me say it again, white privilege are a set of positive assumption about white ppl that do not extend to Black ppl whether deserving or not, it have nothing to do with how poor you are or hard working etc.

Ah, but you associate bikers with being bad people.
I have lost count of the number of times me and my mates have been turned away from a pub merely because we arrived on bikes. Or how within a couple of minutes of settling down with a beer, the head bouncer comes over for a word to make sure we aren't looking for trouble...The only cops that don't have it in for you when you ride a bike are the ones on bikes themselves...even then they get a bit suspicious if you are deemed "scruffy".

originally posted by: Spider879
A set of positive assumptions accorded to whites ie benefit of doubt for instance whether deserving or not , often contrasted with negative assumptions to blacks and sometimes others deserving or not.

Is it possible that some negative assumptions are made about white people due to their dress code or way they present themselves? Example, heavily tattooed burly white man with a long scruffy beard in an expensive, upmarket clothing shop?

Is it also possible that some positive assumptions are made about black people due to their dress code or way they present themselves? Example, a black man in an expensive suit with a smart tie and a stylish haircut?

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: Spider879

originally posted by: SprocketUK
I suppose all the bikers that were shot in Waco a while back and all the ones arrested and held on million dollar bonds etc were dead thankful for their white privilege...

Yet ppl don't associate biker warfare with white ppl there are no calls for whites or their leaders to stop white and white crimes or meth/heroin epidemic plaguing some predominately white communities , the assumption which is correct is those are just bad ppl and in no way represent the white community.

Let me say it again, white privilege are a set of positive assumption about white ppl that do not extend to Black ppl whether deserving or not, it have nothing to do with how poor you are or hard working etc.

Ah, but you associate bikers with being bad people.
I have lost count of the number of times me and my mates have been turned away from a pub merely because we arrived on bikes. Or how within a couple of minutes of settling down with a beer, the head bouncer comes over for a word to make sure we aren't looking for trouble...The only cops that don't have it in for you when you ride a bike are the ones on bikes themselves...even then they get a bit suspicious if you are deemed "scruffy".

True one can stereotype bikers ,but a difference if the biker gets a shave and a hair cut donned a suit n tie the,Black man cannot change how he looks,well not before Micheal Jackson anyway, and it don't even have to last, it can end by a simple hello followed by a brief conversation, but in the extreme it causes problems.

originally posted by: Spider879
True one can stereotype bikers ,but a difference if the biker gets a shave and a hair cut donned a suit n tie the,Black man cannot change how he looks,well not before Micheal Jackson anyway, and it don't even have to last, it can end by a simple hello followed by a brief conversation, but in the extreme it causes problems.

The black man cannot change his skin tone, yes, but he CAN change his presentation. The same way a person born ugly cannot change the physical make-up of their face (without much plastic surgery that is), but they CAN change the way they present themselves. And presentation does not only include your dress code, but your demeaner, body language, tone and eloquence of speech.

originally posted by: Spider879

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: Spider879

originally posted by: SprocketUK
I suppose all the bikers that were shot in Waco a while back and all the ones arrested and held on million dollar bonds etc were dead thankful for their white privilege...

Yet ppl don't associate biker warfare with white ppl there are no calls for whites or their leaders to stop white and white crimes or meth/heroin epidemic plaguing some predominately white communities , the assumption which is correct is those are just bad ppl and in no way represent the white community.

Let me say it again, white privilege are a set of positive assumption about white ppl that do not extend to Black ppl whether deserving or not, it have nothing to do with how poor you are or hard working etc.

Ah, but you associate bikers with being bad people.
I have lost count of the number of times me and my mates have been turned away from a pub merely because we arrived on bikes. Or how within a couple of minutes of settling down with a beer, the head bouncer comes over for a word to make sure we aren't looking for trouble...The only cops that don't have it in for you when you ride a bike are the ones on bikes themselves...even then they get a bit suspicious if you are deemed "scruffy".

True one can stereotype bikers ,but a difference if the biker gets a shave and a hair cut donned a suit n tie the,Black man cannot change how he looks,well not before Micheal Jackson anyway, and it don't even have to last, it can end by a simple hello followed by a brief conversation, but in the extreme it causes problems.

Come off it. If there was a medical procedure to turn someone Caucasian...It wouldn't make racism ok would it? So why do you suppose its ok to discriminate against bikers because they can change their appearance, stop hanging out with their friends, swapping them for the fair-weather acquaintances most folks put up with and cease doing the things they love?

The fact is people judge others on their appearance. A black fella in a good suit with a straight accent is likely to be thought of differently than one in a pair of jeans that hang at half mast, a hoody and a scowl.

Banging on about white privilege is just a way of scapegoating an entire skin colour for the actions of a few and conveniently ignoring that people of all colours have a struggle to make ends meet.

a reply to: Dark Ghost

a black man in an expensive suit with a smart tie and a stylish haircut?

Is just a little more likely to be able to catch a cab in midtown Manhattan than his dressed down counter part.

a reply to: SprocketUK

Ok guys you are still missing the point, it have nothing to do with white guilt or white folks only black people do it too,
No amount of dress or undress can explain the following.

The Visible Hand: Race and Online Market Outcomes
Abstract:
We examine the effect of race on market outcomes by selling iPods through local online classified advertisements throughout the United States in a year-long field experiment. Each ad features a photograph of the product being held by a dark- or light-skinned (“black” or “white”) hand. To provide context, we also consider a group of sellers against whom buyers might statistically discriminate for similar reasons: white sellers with wrist tattoos. Black sellers do worse than white sellers on a variety of market outcome measures: They receive 13% fewer responses and 17% fewer offers. These effects are strongest in the Northeast, and are similar in magnitude to those associated with the display of a wrist tattoo. Conditional on receiving at least one offer, black sellers also receive 2-4% lower offers, despite the self-selected—and presumably less biased - pool of buyers. In addition, buyers corresponding with black sellers exhibit lower trust: They are 17% less likely to include their name in e-mails, 44% less likely to accept delivery by mail, and 56% more likely to express concern about making a long-distance payment. We find evidence that black sellers suffer particularly poor outcomes in thin markets; it appears that discrimination may not “survive” in the presence of significant competition among buyers. Furthermore, black sellers do worst in the most racially isolated markets and markets with high property crime rates, consistent with channels through which we might expect statistical discrimination to operate.
papers.ssrn.com...

You can down load for the full study.

That's quite selective though, isn't it?
Buying ipods through classified ads is a dodgy proposition anyway.
I'd buy one off ebay, because of things like paypal protection etc. I certainly wouldn't by one from a free ad.
There has to be a high degree of expectation that something is dodgy in the first place.

I'd be interested to see if this played out through ebay the same, since it's a level playing field mostly...Though I did buy a fake Seiko watch once from an Asian ebay shop. Got my money back, but will never trust another Asian watch shop for a decent watch.

originally posted by: SprocketUK
That's quite selective though, isn't it?
Buying ipods through classified ads is a dodgy proposition anyway.
I'd buy one off ebay, because of things like paypal protection etc. I certainly wouldn't by one from a free ad.
There has to be a high degree of expectation that something is dodgy in the first place.

I'd be interested to see if this played out through ebay the same, since it's a level playing field mostly...Though I did buy a fake Seiko watch once from an Asian ebay shop. Got my money back, but will never trust another Asian watch shop for a decent watch.

Ok had to lol and star you on the last comment, yes there are crooks online and one should be aware , Im not saying be stupid and walk down a dark alley in some dangerous unknown neighborhood well even if they look like you it's not a good idea. am saying we are prone to make snap judgments or non judgments. in instances like this it is grating to black folks both guilty and innocent to go through life life living that way.

originally posted by: Spider879

originally posted by: SprocketUK
That's quite selective though, isn't it?
Buying ipods through classified ads is a dodgy proposition anyway.
I'd buy one off ebay, because of things like paypal protection etc. I certainly wouldn't by one from a free ad.
There has to be a high degree of expectation that something is dodgy in the first place.

I'd be interested to see if this played out through ebay the same, since it's a level playing field mostly...Though I did buy a fake Seiko watch once from an Asian ebay shop. Got my money back, but will never trust another Asian watch shop for a decent watch.

Ok had to lol and star you on the last comment, yes there are crooks online and one should be aware , Im not saying be stupid and walk down a dark alley in some dangerous unknown neighborhood well even if they look like it's not a good idea. am saying we are prone to make snap judgments or non judgments. in instances like this it is grating to black folks both guilty and innocent to go through life life living that way.

Thing is, we all do it to everyone. I know Scots who won't trust English people for instance. Would you buy a transit van off someone with a traveller's accent? I wouldn't. It's not something unique to black people, everyone of every group is going to be on somebody's 5h1t list. Life isn't easier because someone is white. It's easier when someone is relatively wealthy and well educated.

"White privilege" again?

Having WP in school curriculum does nothing but excuse failure for certain students and deter many from even trying for fear of having their legs cut out from under them. This is the rhetoric of disempowerment, not for Whites but for the very minorities they claim to be representing.

a reply to: Asktheanimals

"Having WP in school curriculum does nothing but excuse failure for certain students and deter many from even trying for fear of having their legs cut out from under them. This is the rhetoric of disempowerment, not for Whites but for the very minorities they claim to be representing."

To a certain extent that would certainly seem to be the case. I'd expect that it would also foster feelings of resentment. Upon further consideration, I'd imagine that the curricula presented by PEG is designed to educate and sensitize White teachers to the problem of White privilege in an effort to help them overcome their own subconscious predilections to act and judge from their own ingrained prejudices.

This isn't a new problem, its always existed in one form or another and its been studied and documented in other countries. For example, there were a series of studies conducted in Brazil where they discovered that the population as a whole (and its a very much mixed race population), possesses and exhibits a bias in favor of "light" skin vs. dark skinned individuals.

One of the odd effects I've noted in reading about the issue of WP is that in the Universities that are addressing the issue, WP has come to be associated with "White Shaming". So, rather than view this as a social studies issue, many are viewing this as an outright assault on "Whiteness" and white students in particular and have attributed to it the idea of "Shaming". I foresee this to be a significant problem because to the extent that white students come to view this as "Shaming" they will do what we've seen the white population views as its favored default option, i.e., social withdrawal. So for example, I'd seen an article to the effect that enrollment at University of Missouri is down 12%. from the fall semester. These problems of the racial divide aren't going to be solved by further social isolation but unfortunately, I suspect that's exactly what we'll see happen as the idea of White Shaming takes greater hold.

I thought this was relevant:

Black MP Dawn Butler 'mistaken for cleaner' in Westminster

Dawn Butler told BBC 5 Radio Live she was in a members-only lift when an unnamed Commons member told her: "This lift really isn't for cleaners."

The Labour MP for Brent Central said it had been one of "so many incidents" of racism she had encountered while in Parliament.

The 46-year-old became an MP in 2005 and was re-elected last year.

Just one example among thousands, nay millions, worldwide, daily.

'White privilege' isn't about disempowering white (well, pink, beige etc) people. It's about awareness of deeply-seated prejudices which affect us on a subconscious level.

There are links earlier in the thread for those who continually refuse to understand the concept.

originally posted by: aorAki
I thought this was relevant:

Black MP Dawn Butler 'mistaken for cleaner' in Westminster

Dawn Butler told BBC 5 Radio Live she was in a members-only lift when an unnamed Commons member told her: "This lift really isn't for cleaners."

The Labour MP for Brent Central said it had been one of "so many incidents" of racism she had encountered while in Parliament.

The 46-year-old became an MP in 2005 and was re-elected last year.

Just one example among thousands, nay millions, worldwide, daily.

'White privilege' isn't about disempowering white (well, pink, beige etc) people. It's about awareness of deeply-seated prejudices which affect us on a subconscious level.

There are links earlier in the thread for those who continually refuse to understand the concept.

It's just as likely she was mistaken for a cleaner because she's a woman.
There are probably quite a few instances of white male mp's being mistaken for waiters at some of the functions but it's not newsworthy.

I'm mad because African-American people are cultural racists... And they're allowed to get away with it.

Dekalb High School Showcases Racist Black Lives Matter Poem for Black History Month

“What reason do I have to be mad? It is a simple fact that in all my years in the school system I’ve had to listen to white students (inaudible) off my brothers and sisters take pride in our culture, their ancestors tried so hard to annihilate.”

“I’m mad because the system is built for the white man. I’m mad because white women fetishize our black men or refuse to acknowledge our Black Lives Matter.” and “Mad because Black Lives Matter is corrected to All Lives Matter by White America who feels threatened by us.”

originally posted by: aorAki

originally posted by: nobunaga
im sick and tired ...

Yeah, sure you are.

The ignorance runs strong with this one.

You aren't even cognisant with the issue, yet you profess to be 'against' it...

do some bloody research on other than a conspiracy site, or stormfront or whatever and educate yourself as to why there is, indeed, 'white privilege'.

You may start liking yourself a little more after that, and stop being a dropkick stoner on minimum wage...

How is this not a personal attack?

Why don't you tell us white people about being privileged?

And throw in some links to back it up.