Patriotism is a Fraud and You Have Been Duped

a reply to: DisinfoCom
It is long past time to stop playing the anthem before sporting events. The idea being to remind all of us that we should be grateful to live in an amazing country, except not everybody feels that way or lives it. There must be a better way. But I see no reason to play the national anthem before sporting events except as a call back to baseball circa WW1.

a reply to: DisinfoCom

Patriotism is a Fraud and You Have Been Duped


So said the Commie Disinfo Agent . By the way , I am Free to say that because my Fellow U.S. Citizens Fought and Die in order for me to Voice my opinions without Fear . Go Lick the Boots of your Masters now Comrade .

a reply to: crazyewok

It isn't, we just like them.
We are PROUD of our undefeated Eagles it's called advertisement.

a reply to: woodwardjnr
That's true. And yes, of course we all get lied to from day 1 on forward. They want you to overlook all of the evil that is done so that you either start contributing to it, or just sit there and do nothing.

originally posted by: woodwardjnr
a reply to: Baldryck

TextAmerica was built on rebellion and freedom of expression.

Not to mention the slave trade, but as I said, lets edit that part of history and talk about liberty and freedom.

What was built by the slave trade other than cotton plantations in the South?

originally posted by: woodwardjnr
Nationalism and religion are the 2 biggest dividing forces left on global society. 2 things most of us have had little to no choice in.most people had no choic where they were born or what religion they follow. We still see how on ATS we have members who take credit for what their nation did in history, while editing out the bad parts.

Much worse than this editing is the Native American Story and fictions as written by the spinners that tell of a people at one with nature and blowing butterfly farts as they worked to the sounds of ethereal music ect until you know who showed up. What is certainly expunged for real history is tribal warfare and slave trade amongst the tribes. Not to mention the now and again genocidal event on the tribe down the road and what not. And they were in fact very territorial and tribal. Anyway all this real world bad stuff is edited so that say the Wounded Knee event can look like all there greater savage bloodletting. But just ask the traditional enemies of the Sioux how they felt about it and you would have another story.

A few years ago I would have fought you but what we're living in now isn't America. The people who were supposed to fight for us never lifted a finger as America faded on. And so we live in a country no better or different than the rest. Any support for this nation is corroboration for globalism and forced equity.

Thanks oath keepers.

Being a Patriot to any corrupt Gov is Fraud.

Is there seriously no chance of us starting afresh with humanism? Why cling to outdated ideas? No nations or governments are required for those who govern themselves. Is our need to prescribe to others really more important than the advancement of our species?

When you say you are free to call others derogatory names because your countrymen died somewhere in some foreign country while they were busy killing other humans who just so happened to have an overabundance of bananas or opium or whatever, I wonder if you understand the implications of what you said. I do, and it makes me sad for all those who have died. Do more need to die before you realise? reply to: Zanti Misfit

originally posted by: woodwardjnr
Nationalism and religion are the 2 biggest dividing forces left on global society. 2 things most of us have had little to no choice in.most people had no choic where they were born or what religion they follow. We still see how on ATS we have members who take credit for what their nation did in history, while editing out the bad parts.

This statement is both right and wrong. The only way a country works is by being nationalist. Why? Well, you have to view every country as it's own Company or business. In order for us to thrive, we have to make profit, in order to make profit, you have to work together -- the idea of nationalism is the very idea of supporting your country, because it's the company you LIVE in.

Believe it or not, you get to choose where you live, so given the choice, where would most people have a quality of life better than the United States?

You might say something like costa rica, and that is true -- you can live there like a boss, but only if you have american money that you made in america. Go there without money, get a job -- and tell me what your quality of life is like.

Nationalism is being proud of your nation, and that's something that's irrespective of support. I am proud to be an american, but I'm not proud of what our government has been doing. Those two things are not mutually exclusive. Without pride there is no support -- without pride, there is no camaraderie , without pride, there is no society. Nationalism IS the back bone of modern society, it's also NOT the reason for war and poverty. Education is, or rather, the lack there of.

Third world countries would have much higher quality of life if they merged with first world countries -- they choose their way of life knowing they aren't advancing. That's called obstinate. You can't complain about your standard of living, and then complain that you don't want to change the way you live, the way they live is precisely the cause of their standard of living.

10x nothing is still nothing, so what is the point in being sovereign if you've nothing to show for it? That's the entire problem with the middle east, it's all uneducated tradition and hate brainwashing passed down over generations. They still think everyone else is the devil and blame everyone for what their own actions cause, meanwhile -- their own rulers are playing in the big league because they control the oil export -- so these people are getting played by themselves.

They should surrender to the first world, everybody on the face of the earth would have a higher standard of living as a result, they are just too uneducated and brainwashed to really get that.

How is Sharia law leading to a better life for the people that choose to live it? It's not. You might say that's exactly the same thing as nationalism, but it's not. Nationalism is a rational understanding of cooperation leading to proliferation.

What I'm trying to say is, Nationalism is necessary and is NOT an evil, it's a truth -- but what most people confuse for nationalism is spot on for what the OP is talking about. Blindly agreeing with everything america does, and being proud to be an american are two totally different thing.

Patriotism is not a dupe -- it's what causes the course correction. If you don't have a morality belief system, than you are morally corrupt -- and what patriotism is, is scrutinizing the current actions of a nation towards it's morality belief system. I.E. America is the land of the free, so being a true patriot is standing up for the ideologies of america, so demonizing America when it's infringing on freedom is an act of patriotism.

You are NOT a patriot if you scream 'merica and support the genocide we cause -- these people think they are patriots, but they don't understand the morality belief system that actually founded America and is what is responsible for it's rise to the strongest nation on the entire earth, of all time. Their interpretation of America is flawed, and while they think they are actual patriots, they are in fact not even close.

It's like if someone were to say they are a republican, but then agree with nothing but democratic policy -- they can claim to be conservative, but in actuality they are liberal. They are falsely labeling themselves.

Real honest to goodness true blue patriotism and honest pure nationalism is not a dupe, nor is it anything less than required for any society to rise to the social sophistication and infrastructure, which paves the way for the advancements in science that produce the technology we have today.

Like -- I don't think you really understand how the world works, I know most people don't, it's tough stuff.

You're 100% on the nose about religion though. Can anybody tell me what is the difference between a cult and a religion? Oh, you can't? I knew that already. Religion is the most dangerous threat on the face of the planet, and has been since it's inception.

a reply to: DisinfoCom

If you were Never Part of the Problem , you Can Never be Part of the Solution . To Belong to Something Serves a Purpose . Patriotism for ones Country does just That .