Saul of Tarsus: False prophet

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

Speaking of days - why did it take so long after his death for the spirit to come to earth?
Something doesn't seem right.

To get a picture of the why's you would have to look into the feasts of the Jews . They have not only symbology to them but also are used within the Jewish calendar of the day and go back to the Exodus with the Passover . big subject ...

Actually, I apologize, Paul did mention Christs resurrection. That's the lone thing I will concede to and was never a major point, it damages my case none.

originally posted by: mamabeth
a reply to: Raggedyman

Salvation is to the jew first then the gentile.The jews are still the chosen people of God,
the church did not replace them.

Grafted on as they say!

Abraham and his descendants blessed for eternity, theres always a soft spot for them.

My wife is half, and the kids are 1/4, so they are good either way! LOL

a reply to: Butterfinger

I have to laugh out loud at that! (not in a derogatory sense, it was just the cutest thing I have ever heard!)

All kidding aside though I must point out that salvation is not guaranteed, to anyone. Not to the Jew or the gentile, there is some reciprocity there in a sense (although not equal nor direct in such sense, I just don't know what else to call it in this context). For the Gentile, and the Jew who is completed, saying a sentence is not proof of salvation, the indwelling of the Holy Spirit is and it is then the law of God is written on their hearts. Evidence is seen by others through a significant change in behavior for the better although the individual will know they are then justified with that indwelling. For the Jew prior to Jesus, it was being circumcised in heart.

Roman's 2:29 and Hebrews 10:15-17

a reply to: Kitana
There really is no such thing as a gentile. Unless of course you divide every person in the world into two categories, Jew, and not Jew. Considering Jews make up less than 1% of the population that's really generous of you. I am neither Jew or gentile and I have as much access to salvation as anyone.

And I believe in the Koran along with many other extra biblical writings of God.

a reply to: Barzini

Yes, there is such a thing as a gentile, it can also be translated as "nations" or "people's" and means everyone who is not of the tribe of Judah (which is where we get the word Jew) which is a tribe of Israel, and/or not those from the other tribes of Israel. God chose Abraham's line, for his faith in God, and righteousness was added to him for his faith. God chose to send His Messiah to the world through the son of promise, since the Messiah is also a promise of God.

As for your religion, I don't personally care what you believe, but if you believe in, and follow Islam, there is no reason for you to not be doing that (i.e. - following your beliefs), and instead propose to attempt to insult a book and it's followers of a religion that you don't even believe in.

As far as your issue with salvation, yes, you can be saved. But first you must believe in Jesus Christ's life, death, and resurrection - He said, I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life, and no one shall come to the Father but through Me.

originally posted by: Barzini
a reply to: ChesterJohnNo, you confuse resurrection of the dead with Christs resurrection, which Paul did mention once in those quotes you provided. But that doesn't make a difference to me because I mentioned in passing and you did misquote me.

Paul's Teaching on the resurrection of the Believer is based on Paul's knowledge of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ. those verses are the basis of his teaching and show he had KNOWLEDGE of the RESURRECTION of Jesus Christ.

No misquote, look again I took your quote right from your own posts and included the full quote (most of which had nothing to do with Paul's knowledge of the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

And it is big deal to me as you were not forthcoming about the resurrection of Jesus Christ being the basis of Paul's teaching on the Believers resurrection. You could at least acknowledge you were wrong in say Paul knew nothing nor taught about the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

As I said Gnosisisfaith/Dayslast/Barzini/Areyousirius/Elyon369 and you other names, anyone with so many ATS login account cannot be trusted to be truthful.

a reply to: ChesterJohn
I don't care about Paul and his false teachings. He claimed to be an Apostle, but Jesus did not recognize this. Revelation would have been the place of confirmation for the 13 th apostle, and he doesn't mention it.

Liar, false prophet, scumbag is Saul of Tarsus. Down with Paulianity.

a reply to: Kitana

First, you can't insult a book, you need emotions to be insulted. If people are insulted by my interpretation no one is forcing them to listen, least of all me. I made it clear in the headline what this thread was about.

Islam also believes Paul was a false prophet.

Gentile is a word meant to superiorize Jews, is meaningless to me, and a lot of people, feel free to disagree.

Salvation is not dependent on a belief. You will be judged for your thoughts, words and actions. Hindu, Buddhist and Parsee have as much chance of salvation as Jew, Christian and Muslim. Do you think God is unfair?

a reply to: Barzini

John 8:24
According to Jesus you are wrong again...
your salvation is indeed dependant on a belief...

“I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.”
God is entirely fair in the bible it also speaks of billions who didn't know Jesus being raised from the dead to live again for 100 years where they will be exposed to him... 

John 9:39-41
And Jesus said, "For judgment I have come into this world, that those who do not see may see, and that those who see may be made blind."
Then some of the Pharisees who were with Him heard these words, and said to Him, "Are we blind also?"
Jesus said to them, "If you were blind, you would have no sin; but now you say, 'We see.' Therefore your sin remains."

In "times of ignorance," people's sins still earn them the death penalty. But Paul said that in some sense God overlooks those sins—He knows these people haven't yet had an opportunity to know the truth and repent and change. But when a person "knows to do good and does not do it," God considers him or her fully accountable for the sin (James 4:17).

Some truth for you...

originally posted by: 5StarOracle
John 9:39-41
And Jesus said, "For judgment I have come into this world, that those who do not see may see, and that those who see may be made blind."
Then some of the Pharisees who were with Him heard these words, and said to Him, "Are we blind also?"
Jesus said to them, "If you were blind, you would have no sin; but now you say, 'We see.' Therefore your sin remains."

In "times of ignorance," people's sins still earn them the death penalty. But Paul said that in some sense God overlooks those sins—He knows these people haven't yet had an opportunity to know the truth and repent and change. But when a person "knows to do good and does not do it," God considers him or her fully accountable for the sin (James 4:17).

Some truth for you...

Truth, I think is a stretch. Bible quotes and truth aren't the same thing.

It might be truth to a Pauline "Christian" but the world is a big place. Any truth in the bible is universal, and not exclusive to Pauline "Christianity"

originally posted by: Barzini
That's right. I come with scripture too. Matthew 24: 23-26 " Then if anyone says to you, 'Look! Here is the Messiah', or 'there he is' do not believe it for false Messiah's and false prophets will appear and produce great signs and omens, to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. Take note, I have told you beforehand. So if they say to you, 'Look! He is in the wilderness,' do not go out. If they say, ' Look! He is in the inner rooms,' do not believe it.

That's Jesus warning his disciples that false prophets will appear in their time. Don't believe anyone who claims to have knowledge of my whereabouts or claims to have seen me. Got it Jesus.

Good thing the Apostles rejected him. Sure they tolereted him until they found out what he was teaching. They never call him Apostle. Only Luke, his companion does. And himself.

Jesus chose 12 Apostles to honor the 12 tribes. 12 is so important that the tribe of Joseph, when it split into Ephraim and Manassah, was still counted as one tribe, 2 half tribes. No 13 tribes.

Why would it be any different for Apostles? When Judas died they replaced him, to keep at twelve. Paul blasphemes by calling himself an apostle.

2 Timothy 1:15 " This you know, that all those in Asia have turned away from me."

That's Paul whining to Timothy about being rejected.

Revelation 2:2...'; you have tested those who claim to be apostles but are not, and have found them to be false.'

That's Jesus to Ephesus, in Asia. Who else could he be talking about but Saul and his band of miscreants?

Just to emphasize the importance of the number 12 go to Revelation 21:9 the Vision of the New Jerusalem

"It has a great, high wall with TWELVE gates, and at the TWELVE gates TWELVE angels, and on the gates are inscribed the names of the TWELVE tribes of the Israelites; on the east three gates, the north three gates, on the south three gates, and the west three gates. And the wall of the city has TWELVE foundation's, and on them are the TWELVE names of the TWELVE APOSTLES of the Lamb.

Sorry Saul, your not invited.

The first quote you mention from Matthew 24 is concerning the end times. Here let me show you what he was answering:

(Matthew 24:3) While he was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples approached him privately, saying: “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your presence and of the conclusion of the system of things?”

When Jesus was alive his apostles wanted to know what would be the sign of the conclusion of this system of things. They did not have full knowledge. Yet you claim that he was talking about Paul. Yet Paul never claimed to be the Messiah. So we already know that you are a liar. Even Paul knew that the end wold come after he had died.

And your twisting of this word of truth, and prophecy of Jesus is most vehement, because you claim you know scripture. You know, someone else knew scripture well who twisted it. And it was Satan the Devil. And he twisted it quite to his own ends, and yet God's word made him subject.

When Jesus was being tempted and Satan was quoting scripture. Jesus did not, not even one time, answer of his own understanding, but rather, he used Scripture to refute Satan's lies:

(Matthew 4:5-7) . . .Then the Devil took him along into the holy city, and he stationed him on the battlement of the temple 6 and said to him: “If you are a son of God, throw yourself down, for it is written: ‘He will give his angels a command concerning you,’ and, ‘They will carry you on their hands, so that you may not strike your foot against a stone.’” 7 Jesus said to him: “Again it is written: ‘You must not put Jehovah your God to the test.’”

Jesus chose 12 Apostles to honor the 12 tribes. 12 is so important that the tribe of Joseph, when it split into Ephraim and Manassah, was still counted as one tribe, 2 half tribes. No 13 tribes.

There was never a tribe of Joseph in Israel. Your understanding is faulty.

And there were indeed 13 tribes in Israel, how can you not know this? Or did you know and are hoping no one else did?

The twelve tribes who received a land inheritance were:

Reuben, Simeon, Judah, Dan, Naphtali, Gad, Asher, Issachar, Zebulun, Benjamin, Ephraim, and Manasseh.

If you notice, two of Jacob children were not mentioned. Levi, and Joseph. Joseph was not, because he received a double inheritance. Levi was not, because they, although a tribe, the 13th tribe, did not receive a land inheritance.

So indeed there WERE 13 tribes. Levi you did not count, but it was indeed a tribe. And Joseph's children did not both receive 1/2 an allowance, but a double allowance. And that is why Joseph is not mentioned.

But we should continue, to expose you further.

Why were there only 12 tribes that received a land inheritance, while the 13th tribe, the tribe of Levi, did not?

That is because the tribe of Levi represented the Levitical priesthood, and thus, those anointed Christians who would be called to heavenly spirit life at Jesus' side to rule as kings and priests over the earth.

The rest of the "other sheep" of Christians would find a hope for everlasting life on earth.

That is why Jesus said in symbolic terms to his 11 faithful apostles on the night of his death, when he inaugurated the covenant for a kingdom:


(Luke 22:29, 30) . . .and I make a covenant with you, just as my Father has made a covenant with me, for a kingdom, 30 so that you may eat and drink at my table in my Kingdom, and sit on thrones to judge the 12 tribes of Israel.

Notice, while they were to be elevated, in God's due time, and not only them, but ALL who are welcomed into the kingdom covenant, the total being 144,000, they are told they will reign over the 12 tribes of Israel. Thus the priestly tribe of Levi, the 13th tribe, that did not have a land inheritance was the type of the anointed Christian congregation. They are to rule in heaven with Jesus over the earth and kings and priests:

(Revelation 1:6) . . .and he made us to be a kingdom, priests to his God and Father—yes, to him be the glory and the might forever. Amen.

(Revelation 20:6) Happy and holy is anyone having part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no authority, but they will be priests of God and of the Christ, and they will rule as kings with him for the 1,000 years.

Your reasoning is not only ignorant, and totally void of any standing in the Holy Scripture of truth. It denies God's word. And thus it almost teeters on blasphemy toward the holy spirit, which is God's word, from which there is no forgiveness.

Many sins are forgiven, and there are those that are greater than others. But yours is very great indeed. But I only pray that you have done so in your ignorance.

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a reply to: 5StarOracle

IF one believes in something

Is it best that he talk the talk

Or

Walk the walk...

Believe requires action my friend

a reply to: JackReyes

You are wrong, it was directed to people who would never see the end times. It was a warning to be aware of false prophets in their own time.

Try again.

That was Jesus speaking...

he is the truth...however it was relevant information even though he's not Paul...

Or...are you calling Jesus a liar now?

You can spare me your uphamism I'm just a Christian thanks...

a reply to: 5StarOracle

Who are you talking to?

see the link in my sig?

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a reply to: Akragon

I did that just for you...

a reply to: Akragon

Are you walking or talking?

Or do you wish to pass judgement?