Blessed are the poor in spirit...

a reply to: Akragon

Excellent post, hit the nail on the head with that one! I was just watching a John St Julien video on Youtube, about his thoughts on 9/11. Anyways, he said there are people that are waking up all over the planet to the fact of the nwo etc.. But you can't just sit around complaining about how nothing is the way it should be, and expect anything to change. You can't stay in the system and expect for it to collapse while you are supporting it. In order for the pyramid to fall, you have to take away it's base. In other words you have to take yourself out of that system. Can you imagine how rapidly things would change, if thousands of people around the world decided to follow John's path, just in different places around the world? That's what I was trying to do, even before I found his videos. His videos just verified that I was on the right path.

So my advice would be to keep that spark alive, and hide it from the world for a bit if you need to to re-energize. Then find your home. Go there, and be the change that you want to see in the world. Let me give an example. I play the keyboards. I kid you not, the first gig that I played at a bar. A fight broke out, and they closed the bar down. But here where there are a lot of good keyboard players, it's no big deal, no matter how good you are for the most part. But can you imagine if I moved to a third world country, and played there what the response would be? I imagine they would like it, and express it a lot more than I would experience here. But helping people build self sustaining communities around the world. Solar power, water catchment, non-gmo crops and animals, etc... Just my thoughts on the matter.

Peace,
Tom Sawyer

originally posted by: Akragon
Each living being is given a spirit within, all life has this...

Other than existing in the vanity of your imagination, I'd love to see your evidence, or hear your logical validation for such an assertion!
Otherwise, we are playing 'lets imagine'...

originally posted by: NarcolepticBuddha
a reply to: Akragon
I am getting to the point where no matter how much good I try to do, how much joy I try to spread, I continually get the backlash of severe negativity and hate. I am feeling overwhelmed, awash in a sea of negative people on this earth.

There are some days I just want to give up and start living in blissful ignorance; act like a major jerk and emulate those around me.

A) "Trying, is making an effort not to do anything!"

B) "We do not see the world as it is, we see it as we are!"

That all means that if you imagine yourself a 'saint', and see a world full of vain, hateful people, you are deluding yourself about your 'sainthood'!
The 'world' that you see, is the world that you Be!
Reality check!

"Perhaps it is the curvature of space that, like a fun-house mirror distorting our own reflection, we imagine strangers." - Mythopoeicon

tat tvam asi (en.wikipedia.org...)

a reply to: namelesss

If only you could see the irony in your post. We are playing let's imagine, your imagination is part of your spirit. Every time you drop back to logic and ego, that get smaller.

No one does arm curls to run faster.

originally posted by: auraofblack
a reply to: namelesss
We are playing let's imagine, your imagination is part of your spirit.

Imagination is 'thought'.
'Spirit' is 'thought'?

Every time you drop back to logic and ego, that get smaller.

Logic is thought! Just like imagination. Just like 'memory'.
Thought/imagination = ego.
All is 'thought/imagination', all is ego.
'Spirit' = ego?

originally posted by: namelesss
That all means that if you imagine yourself a 'saint', and see a world full of vain, hateful people, you are deluding yourself

I'm more of a full-fledged sinner with a heart of gold

Do I believe myself to be a decent person? Yes. I certainly don't entertain a 'sainthood...' Nice try putting words in my mouth though.

a reply to: namelesss

I'd like to suggest a concept. You are a body. It is is occupied by a spirit, some get this mixed up with soul. You have an ego/soul, this is formed when your young, different subject. If you use your ego to try and logic these concepts out, it's not going to happen. If you engage your spirit you will feel it make sense, this must happen before we begin to understand.

Every time your ego is engaged, and trust me on this it is engaged, your Spirit disengages and gets weaker. This is why most religious practices teach humility and service to others, ego repression is a common theme found through spirituality to occult practice, why would that be?

Nothing to do with increasing your spiritual power.... That doesn't exist anyway.

"Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven" is the whole aphorism.


Reading the second part of this to me proves that it is a psychological paradigm Jesus is speaking about not any statement about the material poor people.


A person poor in Spirit is someone not enamored of this world’s life.


For this worlds life is essentially evil from every perspective and only those who are enamored of this material world of decrepit reality are "rich in spirit" and they are full of crap.

If you perceive that this world is a corrupt one as it is existentially then there’s little room but to turn to the better world of the enlightened spirit or perfection....THE TRUE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN OR GOD!

"THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS WITHIN YOU"

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: Raggedyman

Thank God i will not see your YHWH

He/she/it is nothing worthy of worship

YHWH is the Hebrew name for God which is in that great big book you just quoted out of. If you want no part of the God of that book, then if I were you it might be better not to quote from it.

As for things Jesus said, he said "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone."

Not even Jesus in this earthly body was willing to say He was good, yet you call yourself good and your deeds good?

What seems to us like "good" before God really is not. We are not "good" because we have little knowledge of what good is. Things are subjectively good, and subjectively bad to us, but purely good? We cannot even fathom.

Something hurts us so we call it bad, yet - through that hurt we may learn a lifesaving thing. So then is it still bad, if it produces something lifesaving? We have no real concept of "good" it is all subjective to the human being. THIS is the meaning of our deeds being as filthy rags. Our good, is not good, because we cannot understand good. Our sight, is from too narrow a field.

It is clear, you don't even understand the Man while making the pretense of teaching His words.

a reply to: Kitana

The day I need advice from you on spiritual matters or biblical for that matter, Hell will have frozen over... And Trump will be proclaimed Emperor of the world

For the third and last time... the topic is NOT your religion...

IF this was meant to be a religious thread I would have posted it there

You keep your Paulian Christian ways... See what happens in the end

Filthy rags indeed... similar to how I feel about your version of Christianity

Repulsive... Good day sir

a reply to: Akragon

How is it repulsive? Because you don't like the philosophy behind it? Because that IS what it is, a philosophical point that you apparently find repulsive so you run around calling it so.

The problem of the ages truly is, the subjective nature of "good".

Is it good to save one man's life, if that man then goes forward to kill a million? Did you then do good, to your fellow man?

Is it good, to hold someone for 30 minutes against their will (without doing them any harm) if it were to save their life? They would consider it bad at the time and you would be doing it for their good, so is their perspective correct, or yours?

A cop gets up in the morning to do good; gives you a speeding ticket which you think is bad, yet, is it really bad if it saved your life or the life of someone else that day?

The political realm is wrought with people trying to do "good" for people. One group saying I will impose this for their "good" and the other group saying they will impose that for their "good". Entire wars have been started for the "good" of people.

Do we go to war and kill thousands in order to possibly save millions? What if we kill the person who would have found a cure for cancer? Is that good? Or do we refuse to go to war and watch hundreds of thousands die for our lack of action - until it comes to our door? Is that good?

Even Hitler probably thought he was doing something good for his country. I don't suppose Stalin looked in the mirror when he woke up and said you know what? I am going to do evil to people today, no, he more than likely thought he was doing good things for his nation and people.

Marx made a whole philosophy thinking it was "good" which has subsequently been used to kill a lot of people and steal from others.

Good is so subjective that it is impossible to consider anything good without a larger frame of reference to work from which no human being has. And it is precisely this philosophical point that you are missing.

Does this mean to stop trying to do good things? No. It simply means that it will always be subjective to your knowledge and situation at the time and as a result, imperfect.

You can disagree with the philosophy, you can consider all actions so long as they are done with good intentions to be good but then you ignore the problem of the ages and that is, many acts have been done in the name of good throughout the ages and most, looking back, really weren't that good at all from a broader range of vision. The problem of history is usually in people trying to do good not vice versa.

But you can be repulsed if you like because it says your knowledge is subjective and limited therefore imperfect. Would not want to insult your intelligence since it's not your knowledge which is subjective and limited; right? So long as you can call yourself good.

a reply to: Kitana

I was actually speaking of the usual posts of this particular person...

Repulsive would be a strong word towards Paulian Christianity i suppose... i can admit that Paul had some things right...

Though what his writing leads to is everything that is wrong with the church today...

even by the very posts that you read on this forum, the sentiment is that "we have faith" and there is no need to do good because of it... and that is in actuality

repulsive... and abundant in Christianity

Faith without works is not faith...

a reply to: Kitana

The day I need advice from you on spiritual matters or biblical for that matter, Hell will have frozen over... And Trump will be proclaimed Emperor of the world

For the third and last time... the topic is NOT your religion...

IF this was meant to be a religious thread I would have posted it there

You keep your Paulian Christian ways... See what happens in the end

Filthy rags indeed... similar to how I feel about your version of Christianity

i totally got you mixed up with another member...

Im sorry bro...


WtF is your Avatar anyways?

Clam soup?

a reply to: Akragon

No problem. Thank you for the apology it is accepted and I apologize as well, for anything I said which was offensive.

There is something I want you to consider though. I think "repulsive" can be used to describe many things people do for the sake of what they think is right or good. Not just people who call themselves Christian. But I will agree that Christians doing the wrong thing seems to stand out more, I see many people who appear more to me like the pharisees than Stephen, for instance.

But you have to ask yourself something. If I speak to you and we know the intricacies of our language, its usage for the time we live in, the reason why we say the things we do, is it our fault if people mistake those words and misuse them later? Are we evil if someone uses what we say in an incorrect manner, later on? Are we wrong to speak in contexts that we know, on the off chance someone might come along and do something bad?

I would argue no. You may argue something different, but similarly in the case of someone not understanding this philosophy and the reason behind it; if I were to tell a person they are not truly good, it would hurt them, but if I were to explain why with sufficient reasoning behind it, it would be perfectly understood in the context it was meant.

To me rather than trying to agree with something that does not sound logical nor simply being repulsed by it, it does more good to simply let it go, until which time it does make sense, and/or say it makes no sense to me. Maybe someday someone will come along with the knowledge to expound on the issue or saying in a way that makes sense, and maybe they wont. But taking something that to you is illogical and running with it can be just as detrimental as hating it simply because you don't understand it.

This topic is a prime example, if people were more willing to admit that the good things they want to do are imperfect in nature, then they might stop and give more consideration prior to doing those damaging, yet well intentioned, things they do.

It's just a thought.

a reply to: Akragon

It's a kitty cat in a cup! She is hiding!

a reply to: Kitana

see this betwixes me lol...

So nothing is good... nothing!!

Consider who HE was actually speaking to when HE said "Why call me good?"

I'm pretty sure HE was trying to set someone straight rather then saying there is NOTHING that is good

a reply to: Akragon

Good is still a subjective thing. Did Jesus say don't do good things? No. I think the point in the end, is to use consideration. Both things are stated, do good, there is no one good save God, our good deeds are like rags (and historically this is true). What is the middle, the balance?

We can't stop trying to do good, but we can always take our nature into consideration and with humbleness of heart, make our decisions.

a reply to: Kitana

Did Jesus say don't do good things? No. I think the point in the end, is to use consideration. Both things are stated, do good, there is no one good save God, our good deeds are like rags

Did HE ever go so far as to say such deeds are pointless?

filthy rags?

or

What you did to the least of my brothers, ye did to me...

a reply to: Akragon

we can always take our nature into consideration and with humbleness of heart, make our decisions.



I think the point is to recognize our nature in all that we do. Everyone repays kindness with kindness, but who repays evil with kindness? The point is to recognize our nature, from the get go. Then we begin to see things from a different perspective indeed.

And at that point, we might be able to do better things than we now do.

a reply to: Kitana

lemme play devil's advocate here...

The religions of the world turn us against our own spiritual nature, instilling beliefs that "they" are better then those who do not practice religion... The notion of "loving each other" becomes elitist, and their neighbour can only be found within the ranks of their own people.

Many are cast aside from their family and friends because they question religious texts, and dare to disagree with the dogma of their youth

Shunned and outcast, they begin to doubt the existence of The ONE... they look around this world and see only destruction and death, injustice and lies coming from all sides... they begin to ask themselves how can this be...

What once shone brightly becomes dim and stale as doubt and denial seeps into their lives... yet deep inside that spark of the divine still glitters, even if said person does not realise it's there

And even with their doubting heart, they still manage to do good to their fellow man, not because God is looking down upon them, but because it is right.