UK Referendum 23 June 2016 - Will it be an EU BREXIT or Not?

The fear mongering continues in tomorrows News Papers ....

David Cameron is now threatening the *Senior Citizens* with more

austerity and severe pension cuts if it is a *Brexit* win on June 23rd.

originally posted by: eletheia

The fear mongering continues in tomorrows News Papers ....

David Cameron is now threatening the *Senior Citizens* with more

austerity and severe pension cuts if it is a *Brexit* win on June 23rd.

What a loser Deceitful Dave is. A liar and a fraud as well as a pig f**Ker.
He knows from the polls that older people are overwhelmingly in favour of an exit, so he is threatening them. Disgusting.

We are told that If we leave the EU our economy will go down the pan?
We are told we need the EU to be successful?
So can any one tell me why the *IN* campaign is determined for the
UK to go aboard this sinking Titian steam ship named the *EU*

So straight from the horses mouth :-

Mario Draghi who is President of the European Central Bank broke his
silence on Thursday and what he said should be a warning to anyone
who thinks the EU is a safe option ...remember Dodgie Dave's
war cry..."We are safer and stronger in the EU?") Well Mario
Draghi says"The crisis in the Eurozone is NOT OVER." He warned that
monetary policy has not been enough to drag the Eurozone out of the
mire. The countries who use the euro are stuck in a cycle of low
growth, low employment, and low productivity.

The ECB's actions speak even louder than its Presidents words, this
week the bank began buying up corporate bonds....effectlvely
printing money, two months ago it reduced its rates - with the
result that banks that lend it money are paying for the privilege!!

Draghi hasn't mentioned it yet but his only other suggestion for the
Eurozone is 'printing money' in a desperate effort to get people to
spend, that has never worked in the past Germany tried it when
burdened with WW1 debts in the 1920's, Robert Mugabe has tried
it and it just resulted in 'hyperinflation'!!

Truth is the European countries have been saddled with a single
currency that is far to highly valued. It has left their exporters
uncompetitive, and relying on heavily indebted consumers for
economic growth.

George Osborne has tried to warn us about the falling pound ...Our
exports in April surged by 2.3billion due to having a 'floating' currency
(something that is denied to those who have the euro currency)

These problems of a single currency were foreseen by a minority of
economists not the nine out of ten Dave has on his *IN* team)
They warned at the time exactly what would happen if you tried to
tie very different economies together with the same currency and
interest rate. (No brainer really! square peg round hole!

One person who saw that disaster waiting to happen was Patrick
Minford professor of applied economics at Cardiff Business School says

"We will be better off outside the EU. Conversely those who want us to
remain in the EU such as the CBI were telling us "we should join the
euro 15yrs ago.

NOW DOES ANYONE REALLY WANT TO STAY IN THE EU
Vote OUT of something we were NEVER technically in.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: eletheia

The fear mongering continues in tomorrows News Papers ....

David Cameron is now threatening the *Senior Citizens* with more

austerity and severe pension cuts if it is a *Brexit* win on June 23rd.

What a loser Deceitful Dave is. A liar and a fraud as well as a pig f**Ker.
He knows from the polls that older people are overwhelmingly in favour of an exit, so he is threatening them. Disgusting.

Now we clearly see as will the British people the nature of this scumbag beast. Is this the best we can do to represent the UK and govern our nation!
DDD (Dodgy Deceitful Dave) will soon be history and what a very sad way to go out. Let this be a lesson to the British people that wafflers who don't answer questions or dodge the issues that the people are concerned about have another agenda and their masters are not the people but TPTB! The elites, aristocracy, monarchy etc! SO what does that say about them when they both permit and promote such!

I have a confession to make. Assume I will be forgiven!

For the last 2 months I have been communicating with the Vote Leave team and filtering through perspectives, arguments and counter arguments along with suggestions about what and how to address some of the issues with the Remain Dad's Army and interestingly to note is the Leave team appear to be raising issues and countering remain with arguments and perspectives we have raised and discussed on ATS.

In the last few days I have been communicating important facts about supply chain principles as a way to counter the remain trade doom perspective and also the need for Leave to demonstrate or highlight the need for planning our BREXIT with suggestions of how that can and should be approached. As raised on ATS also the Leave team need to be able to counter and respond to questions about what happens if we leave, how do we manage that, what would be our approach and who would do it. I suggested to the Leave team to respond by telling the public that a transition plan would need to be put in place with a transition team to implement and manage that plan.

I said by doing this the Leave team will look more professional for having given thought to what we will have to do if we BREXIT whereas the Remain dads army have done anything or even mentioned that there would be a plan etc etc. Because they have assumed that they wouldn't need one. Well where's the contingency, the what if, the management of risk. This shows Remain as a bunch of political and incapable clowns who can only scare, but cant do anything constructive or plan for our best interests. How can you trust pillocks like this!

We shall after see if anymore of our input pops up in some way!

originally posted by: 83Liberty

originally posted by: moniker
So if the UK electorate vote to leave the EU on the 23rd. Then what? What happens next? What is the plan?

The truth is no one knows for certain what will happen.

In my Opinion...
David Cameron will trigger Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty...
Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty

Shortly after, he will resign as prime minister, triggering a leadership contest within the Conservative party. Boris Johnson will win this contest and become the Conservative leader. He may or may not choose to hold a snap general election.

After the dust has settled, the new government will have two years to negotiate with the EU in accordance to Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty and Article 218(3) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union...
Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty
Article 218 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union

Everything stays the same until we either negotiate a new deal or after 2 years.
However they may extend this period in accordance to article 50.3 of the Lisbon Treaty.

The 'new deal' is where the uncertainty really kicks in but logic tells me we will get a free trade deal without the free movement of people, except for maybe students.

I'm not so sure about that. Having thought about it a bit, two years is not a very long time for negotiating an amicable exit at all, and I suspect that the only thing that would be on the table from the EU would be a straight EEA agreement, e.g. essentially an EU membership without some of the policies and without the currency, and without the membership itself of course. But with all the opt outs that we already have, we are almost in that position already, save for fishing policies.

Still, an EEA agreement may be far better than the alternatives.

originally posted by: moniker
I'm not so sure about that. Having thought about it a bit, two years is not a very long time for negotiating an amicable exit at all, and I suspect that the only thing that would be on the table from the EU would be a straight EEA agreement, e.g. essentially an EU membership without some of the policies and without the currency, and without the membership itself of course. But with all the opt outs that we already have, we are almost in that position already, save for fishing policies.

Still, an EEA agreement may be far better than the alternatives.

If all the EU offers us is an EEA agreement, then we would reject it.

So after the two years are up we will continue to trade with the EU but might have to pay some tariffs to buy their goods (if our government decides to do that) and they will have to pay some tariffs to buy our goods (if the EU decides to do that). That just seems bonkers to me if that did happen, but anyway...

We will then get back the ability to propose/amend/appeal all of our own laws (except we would still have to abide to EU regulations for the goods we sell to the EU, just like every country around the world).

The UK will continue to grow by negotiating her own trade deals around the World and taking back control of vital industries such as fishing and steel.

The EU will try to continue it's path towards a United States of Europe.
Our trade with the EU will continue to decline as we trade more with the growing markets.
Other Europeans countries will become more and more EU-skeptic and want their referendums too.
Leading to the eventual and maybe messy break up of the EU.

originally posted by: eletheia

The fear mongering continues in tomorrows News Papers ....

David Cameron is now threatening the *Senior Citizens* with more

austerity and severe pension cuts if it is a *Brexit* win on June 23rd.

He did this with Scottish pensioners, but also The Labour Party did it too. Phoning pensioners directly in their homes and threatening them that if they voted to leave UK they would lose their pensions. Hence most elderly voted to remain.

But I'm just a whinging Scot so it doesn't matter.

originally posted by: 83Liberty

The EU will try to continue it's path towards a United States of Europe.
Our trade with the EU will continue to decline as we trade more with the growing markets.
Other Europeans countries will become more and more EU-skeptic and want their referendums too.
Leading to the eventual and maybe messy break up of the EU.

As I said in an earlier post

Nine out of ten Dutch people hope the Netherlands
will hold its own EU referendum amid their discontent at the Brussels bureaucrats.

They have been *inspired* by the possibility of Britain quitting and hope

*Nexit* will follow *Brexit*

Harry Von Bommel, MP for Holland's socialist party said "If Britain
leaves that will give other countries courage."

WHO SAYS BRITAIN DOESN'T LEAD THE WAY

"We cannot go on the way we are - financing Greece, trying to keep
countries in the Euro zone. The Euro zone will break up eventually."

www.express.co.uk...


SINKING SHIP comes to mind.....

The EU could attempt to sway the brexit referendum results using various terrorist attacks in the EU or even in britain. That could come through the form of a supposedly pro-brexit terrorist, funded and trained by EU countries. Germany France and Italy would be prime suspect in the orchestration of such terrorist attack!

This may even come in the form of a bomb in the underwater channel connecting Dover to Calais by supposedly anti-immigrant mind controlled "extremist groups" that would be used to blame or discredit UKIP.

There's a lot of talk about trade agreements with EU and free trade barriers and if we leave these will all stop. But it got me thinking about import / export tarrifs.

If we did have an import duty, as we do with USA, then every item bought from EU would have say 10% added. The thing is this money / revenue would go to the treasury to be used on projects in UK. At the moment there is no duty so no money is raised from goods and services coming in from EU.

Also if you had duty on these items there would be more incentive to source the items here in UK instead of buying from abroad.

Maybe duties would be a good thing ??

Talk of giving Turkey Visa free travel into the UK...

I wonder what effect the latest terrorist attack in Florida today will have on Brexit?

originally posted by: UKTruth
I wonder what effect the latest terrorist attack in Florida today will have on Brexit?

I would think it will cement in peoples minds the absolute absurdity of what can happen when you have a open border policy allowing mass immigration into a christian society by people that hate the west, life style and culture. Granted the US situation is slightly different but on the whole how many unvetted "Migrants" (NOT refugees) have come into the Euro zone in the last 2 years?.

If we get out I cannot see that we will have any "quotas" to fulfill or that we cannot send illegal migrants straight back as we will not have to comply with the crazy liberal approach that the EU forces onto the nation. A massive amount of damage has been done and this is simply limitation. Terrorist attacks as the one seen in Orlando will continue for the next decade we can only hope that having more power on who is the country will avoid such situations in the future and it is that mindset that I believe many people will be going into the Brexit vote with..


RA

originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite
Just a wee note to thank all those who have both contributed and stuck with this thread and to the EU debate. A few (some abusive and just obnoxious) have long abandoned the thread which has resulted in a more friendly progression.

I look forward to the rest of this thread over the next 12 days and I am hopeful that we will be signing it off with the right result for the British people.

The latest official polls are a sign the truth is OUT as hopefully we will be!

Wouldn't it be special if we won Euro 2016 and voted OUT on the 23 June!

This thread has followed the EU BREXIT campaign's and has covered all the issues relating to the EU Referendum thus will be an historical ATS classic which was associated with the most important electoral vote in the history of the UK and Europe!

As one of those who tried to discuss the remain vote with you only for it to fall into a shambles of name calling and bickering I would refute that this is an ATS classic and would say that it is one of the most one sided and bullying threads I have ever had the displeasure of participating in.

You outright refused to entrertain anything that went against your personal views and you and your small group of cronies bullied and bored anyone who spoke against an exit out of the thread.

If you add in the fact that at least half the posts in here are by you or two or three other members and that you went against terms and conditions multiple times to keep the thread alive and even staunch leave supporters grew tired of you what you have is not an ATS classic and the fact that it is self proclaimed furthers my point and also highlights the levels that you have allowed your ego to grow to.

I know you point blank refuse to converse with me and I count this as a blessing so do not expect a reply.

I just needed to get that out.

Latest from Pollstation after 124,860 votes has Leave still at 81%.

www.pollstation.uk...

originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite
Just a wee note to thank all those who have both contributed and stuck with this thread and to the EU debate. A few (some abusive and just obnoxious) have long abandoned the thread which has resulted in a more friendly progression.

I look forward to the rest of this thread over the next 12 days and I am hopeful that we will be signing it off with the right result for the British people.

The latest official polls are a sign the truth is OUT as hopefully we will be!

Wouldn't it be special if we won Euro 2016 and voted OUT on the 23 June!

This thread has followed the EU BREXIT campaign's and has covered all the issues relating to the EU Referendum thus will be an historical ATS classic which was associated with the most important electoral vote in the history of the UK and Europe!

As one of those who tried to discuss the remain vote with you only for it to fall into a shambles of name calling and bickering I would refute that this is an ATS classic and would say that it is one of the most one sided and bullying threads I have ever had the displeasure of participating in.

You outright refused to entrertain anything that went against your personal views and you and your small group of cronies bullied and bored anyone who spoke against an exit out of the thread.

If you add in the fact that at least half the posts in here are by you or two or three other members and that you went against terms and conditions multiple times to keep the thread alive and even staunch leave supporters grew tired of you what you have is not an ATS classic and the fact that it is self proclaimed furthers my point and also highlights the levels that you have allowed your ego to grow to.

I know you point blank refuse to converse with me and I count this as a blessing so do not expect a reply.

I just needed to get that out.

Diddums!

originally posted by: slider1982

originally posted by: UKTruth
I wonder what effect the latest terrorist attack in Florida today will have on Brexit?

I would think it will cement in peoples minds the absolute absurdity of what can happen when you have a open border policy allowing mass immigration into a christian society by people that hate the west, life style and culture. Granted the US situation is slightly different but on the whole how many unvetted "Migrants" (NOT refugees) have come into the Euro zone in the last 2 years?.

If we get out I cannot see that we will have any "quotas" to fulfill or that we cannot send illegal migrants straight back as we will not have to comply with the crazy liberal approach that the EU forces onto the nation. A massive amount of damage has been done and this is simply limitation. Terrorist attacks as the one seen in Orlando will continue for the next decade we can only hope that having more power on who is the country will avoid such situations in the future and it is that mindset that I believe many people will be going into the Brexit vote with..


RA

I think you are right! No control over immigration/migration = Greater risk.

originally posted by: UKTruth
I wonder what effect the latest terrorist attack in Florida today will have on Brexit?

Reaffirm the need to Leave and control immigration/migration.

We ill vote to Leve on the 23rd I am even more confident of this than I was at the outset of this thread. I have stipulated there will be a 53-57% victory for Leave all along!