UK Referendum 23 June 2016 - Will it be an EU BREXIT or Not?

Doom and Gloom (Remain Campaign) or Groom and Boom (Leave Campaign)

The Remain Dad's Army promise Doom yet if we Leave we could Groom and Boom just like Norway!!

originally posted by: eletheia

originally posted by: 83Liberty
I think Gove has done a good job tonight in the Sky debate.
"Take back control" being his main message.

That £350 million per week came back to haunt him though. When he gave the rationale behind his claim he says that the rebate is not always guaranteed and can be reduced overtime. He is correct in that but he doesn't give any examples how it has been reduced, like that extra £1.8billion extra we had to pay the EU, half paid via a reduced rebate for example. I think that would have gave him more credibility in his claim.

I am puzzled by people asking for guarantees of no one loosing jobs!!

Off the top of my head who predicted the job losses of the demise of

Woolworths stores a stalwart of the High street and currently BHS another

High street stalwart and the likely hood of Tata in Wales closing? all lost

jobs and WHILE we are in EU.

So how can ANYONE predict what will happen

The UK is unable to intervene in helping Tata due to EU

rules, but the German Steel industry gets special low industry costs

for running their industries!


Anyway where were all these economists and alphabetical agencies and

heads of banks when the banks went down causing the last austerity we

are STILL going through. They didn't predict that!!

But all of a sudden they have become the standard of ACCURACY and

HONESTY

Leave it out .......

The Remain (Dad's Army - We're Doomed) know they can predict doom as what will happen because they know that if it gets them to Remain no one will ever know and if it doesn't then they don't care anyway. Best thing UK people can do is look at the economy of Norway who refused to join twice and each time their economy grew stronger!!

The UK people should not trust those who predict doom and have and will continue to benefit from Remain because quite often the opposite is true and can't be proven to be hogwash without Leave!

This election is about Sovereignty, Control and Immigration and all three are inextricably linked. The reverse/opposite of these 3 is more laws imposed on the UK by an non elected nor democratic bunch of placed commissioners, no control over our own law and migration, and more immigrants including criminals, terrorists etc

This is what will determine the outcome of this referendum.

Ruth Lea is an economist who works in the financial sector, her opinions

are often sought on program's such as question time, and political program's.

She is quietly spoken and unbiased in her opinions. I came across a pdf. which

I think gives out straight forward information without a spin on it, the sort of

thing I think we are all seeking. I found it very interesting ..... a few points

followed by the link.

Britain's nett. contributions to the EU in 2005 was 4.4 billion compared

with 8.1 billion in 2010, nearly doubled in 5 years! and it is set to increase

in forth coming years. If they had had a Swiss style agreement in 2010 there

would have been a saving of nearly 7 billion.


Membership of the EU single market comes with a very heavy regulatory price.


If the UK withdraws from the single market there would probably be little

disruption to EU - UK trade, because quite simply disruption would not

be in the interest of those EU 27 countries, which run big surpluses

with the UK.

www.europarl.org.uk...


It really is informative and worth reading

Now Dodgy Dave threatens the Leave Campaigner's. There are no depth's to which they wont stoop.

www.msn.com... YF?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignout


My response to this is just look at NORWAY.

If we get rid of migrants and use our own people (train them) then we create loads of jobs.

Reply to RP2SticksOfDynamite


Or indeed as Ruth Lea says in her pdf like Switzerland ..... as in my

previous post above.

Britain's nett. contributions to the EU in 2005 was 4.4 billion

compared with 8.1 billion in 2010, nearly doubled in 5 years! and

it is set to increase in forth coming years.

If they had had a Swiss style agreement in 2010 there would

have been a saving of nearly 7 billion.

www.europarl.org.uk...


It really is informative and worth reading

When your integrity fails so do you! The beginning of the end for Dodgy Dave. Waffling liar, hypocrite and elite bidding doer! People with integrity don't have to dodge or waffle!! Nor threaten!!


We’re now witnessing the tragic decline of David Cameron

www.msn.com...

originally posted by: eletheia
Reply to RP2SticksOfDynamite


Or indeed as Ruth Lea says in her pdf like Switzerland ..... as in my

previous post above.

Britain's nett. contributions to the EU in 2005 was 4.4 billion

compared with 8.1 billion in 2010, nearly doubled in 5 years! and

it is set to increase in forth coming years.

If they had had a Swiss style agreement in 2010 there would

have been a saving of nearly 7 billion.

www.europarl.org.uk...


It really is informative and worth reading

A perfect example of what we can and have achieved inside the EU. Basically f..k all! And if we Remain that will give the EU non-democrats a pass to run riot!

To be honest I didn't care either way if we stay of leave, now im voting leave, why?

Watching the news and hearing a constant barrage of threats coming from the government if we vote leave just makes me want to vote leave.

One threat I found interesting was about imported goods from Europe becoming more expensive for both individuals and business due to heavy import taxs that will be applied to them.
Of course the government can choose not to apply heavy taxes on those goods even if we leave but they are basically holding business hostage saying they will make doing business with European countries economically unviable if we leave.

Pollstation now showing 82% Leave after over 97,040 votes. No mean poll!

www.pollstation.uk...

Someone on my local fb page of the town i live in has just (about an hour

ago) started a poll set to run over 3 days.

Looking good for a start. First results =

OUT = 94

IN = 35

Don't know = 8

Will let you know the final result in 3 days.

www.youtube.com...

Very worrying.

Leave campaigners are concerned that a massive tax payer-funded push to register more than one million young people to vote will drastically alter the country’s European Union (EU) referendum result.

Government statistics reveal that in the past month alone, over 1.6 million people have registered to vote in the UK referendum on EU membership, with 900,000 of these registrations coming from those aged under 34 years.

While over 53 per cent of newly registered voters are younger people, just 27 per cent of new registrations are over 45, the group most likely to vote to leave the European Union. The rest (18.5 per cent) are from the 35-44 age bracket.

On June 3rd, in one day alone, a whopping 192,000 people registered to vote, with 51,700 of these being under 25, and 21,400 of these being between the ages of 25 and 34.

Shock Stats: 1.6 Million New UK Voters Registered in Past 30 Days

originally posted by: Morrad
Very worrying.

Leave campaigners are concerned that a massive tax payer-funded push to register more than one million young people to vote will drastically alter the country’s European Union (EU) referendum result.

Government statistics reveal that in the past month alone, over 1.6 million people have registered to vote in the UK referendum on EU membership, with 900,000 of these registrations coming from those aged under 34 years.

While over 53 per cent of newly registered voters are younger people, just 27 per cent of new registrations are over 45, the group most likely to vote to leave the European Union. The rest (18.5 per cent) are from the 35-44 age bracket.

On June 3rd, in one day alone, a whopping 192,000 people registered to vote, with 51,700 of these being under 25, and 21,400 of these being between the ages of 25 and 34.

Shock Stats: 1.6 Million New UK Voters Registered in Past 30 Days

Don't worry. I know two of them and they registered last week and they are voting OUT. A high turn will result in a Leave vote.

originally posted by: eletheia
Someone on my local fb page of the town i live in has just (about an hour

ago) started a poll set to run over 3 days.

Looking good for a start. First results =

OUT = 94

IN = 35

Don't know = 8

Will let you know the final result in 3 days.

www.youtube.com...

I bet it will be close to Pollstation.

I am currently watching sky news and one of the guys says that Remain will win by large margin (BS). Can't remember his name but he is grey haired and is wearing a blue shirt. Talk about detached from reality.

I knew the EU was hiding something:


www.msn.com... BtTDjN?li=BBoPMmp&ocid=mailsignout

Boris Johnson: British Taxpayers

Was speaking with a lady today who is visiting Scotland to see where her past relatives and ancestors came from. She is a nurse back in Oz. I asked her what if any thoughts she had about EU ref. She told me that at the moment it is very very difficult and expensive for an Australian nurse to come to the UK. They have to sit lots of exams and they have to fly to UK to do the exams. Costs a lot of money and time. She is hoping that an EU exit will make it easier for people like her from Oz to come here to work.

I think it's crazy we let in any number of foreigners and yet when it comes to 'our own people' living in places like Oz and NZ we make it so difficult.

originally posted by: bigyin
Was speaking with a lady today who is visiting Scotland to see where her past relatives and ancestors came from. She is a nurse back in Oz. I asked her what if any thoughts she had about EU ref. She told me that at the moment it is very very difficult and expensive for an Australian nurse to come to the UK. They have to sit lots of exams and they have to fly to UK to do the exams. Costs a lot of money and time. She is hoping that an EU exit will make it easier for people like her from Oz to come here to work.

I think it's crazy we let in any number of foreigners and yet when it comes to 'our own people' living in places like Oz and NZ we make it so difficult.

Isn't that the truth. If one choose a non-eu foreign spouse its a nightmare and they recently made it worse. Now if you want your foreign spouse to come to live with you in England you have to have a minimum income of 18400 pounds a year, if less eg. 17500 then tough. And if you have kids you need much more. Its a disgrace!

originally posted by: bigyin
I think it's crazy we let in any number of foreigners and yet when it comes to 'our own people' living in places like Oz and NZ we make it so difficult.

It's a disgrace that we can't welcome back 'our own' from wherever in the world their grandparents or parents emigrated to.

They're ours and should be first in the queue to be welcomed here.

Australia can keep the criminal element, though. If they were born in the UK but grew up and learnt how to misbehave whilst under the auspices of Australia, then it's Australia's own bloody fault if they turn out badly.

originally posted by: eletheia

originally posted by: 83Liberty

That £350 million per week came back to haunt him though.....

The UK is unable to intervene in helping Tata due to EU rules, but the German Steel industry gets special low industry costs for running their industries!

I have big doubts about the EU and countries such as Switzerland and Serbia should keep well away. For the UK though, we've been intricately woven into the fabric of the EU for more than 4 decades and leaving would be like having open heart surgery performed by Boris the Clown, i.e. very dangerous and almost certain to fail.

As for the EU rules for Tata, it's nonsense, as is evidenced in the same sentence above that proves that Germany and others can intervene in industry and even nationlise them if they want to. The UK government chose not to help, they also vetoed the EU from raising tariffs on Chinese steel which is being dumped in the EU and UK.

Go figure, we have either a highly incompetent government or one working to a different agenda.

originally posted by: Morrad
Very worrying.

Leave campaigners are concerned that a massive tax payer-funded push to register more than one million young people to vote will drastically alter the country’s European Union (EU) referendum result.

Government statistics reveal that in the past month alone, over 1.6 million people have registered to vote in the UK referendum on EU membership, with 900,000 of these registrations coming from those aged under 34 years.

While over 53 per cent of newly registered voters are younger people, just 27 per cent of new registrations are over 45, the group most likely to vote to leave the European Union. The rest (18.5 per cent) are from the 35-44 age bracket.

On June 3rd, in one day alone, a whopping 192,000 people registered to vote, with 51,700 of these being under 25, and 21,400 of these being between the ages of 25 and 34.

Shock Stats: 1.6 Million New UK Voters Registered in Past 30 Days

You call democracy worrying? Surely we need as many Brits registered to vote and then to go out and vote for their future on something as important as this, or do Kippers only believe in democracy when it's in their favour?

a reply to: FrankPoster

I never said I objected to it. Please don't twist my remark into something it isn't.