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originally posted by: 83Liberty
Here is a must watch video with some well known people explaining the birth and eventual death of the EU.
Some people may call it a conspiracy theory but it seems very accurate and plausible to me.
There are some important issues raised in the video that need to be discussed if people have time to watch.
-Particularly interested about the EU wanting to turn the UK into 12 regions
- The similarities between the EU and the Soviet Union.
Why the Government believes that voting to remain in the EU is the best
decision for the UK.
the EU countries buy 44% of what the UK sells abroad. Remaining in
the EU guarantees our full access to its single market. By contrast, leaving
creates uncertainty and risk
Being inside the EU also makes it more attractive for companies to invest in
the UK
Some argue little would change if we left the EU. But there are no guarantees
UK customers would keep these benefits if we left
Voting to leave the EU would create years of uncertainty and potential
economic disruption
The government judges it could result in 10 years of uncertainty as the UK unpicks
our relationship with the EU and reneogiates new arrangements with the EU and over
50 other countries around the world.
For example Canada's deal with the EU will give limited access for services,
it has so far been seven years in the making and is still not in force.
But in return for the economic benefits of access to the EU's single market,
non EU countries - such as Norway, have to accept the right of all EU citizens to live
and work in their country
EU cooperation makes it easier to keep criminals and terrorists out of the
UK
The UK is part of the EU a group of 28 countries which exists to promote
economic security
The EU operates as a single free trading market without taxes between borders
The UK has secured a special status in the EU. The UK has kept the £
We have insured that no UK powers can be transferred to the EU in the future
without a referendum.
The UK is a strong independent nation
The UK's ability to gets its way on the issues the UK cares about
A stronger economy
Providing security
EU cooperation makes it easier to keep criminals and terrorists out of the UK
The UK has secured a special status in the EU the UK has kept the £
We have ensured that no UK powers can be transferred to the EU in the future without
a referendum
The UK is a strong independent nation. The UK's ability to get its way on the issues it
cares about
provide a stronger economy
Providing security
originally posted by: eletheia
originally posted by: 83Liberty
Here is a must watch video with some well known people explaining the birth and eventual death of the EU.
Some people may call it a conspiracy theory but it seems very accurate and plausible to me.
There are some important issues raised in the video that need to be discussed if people have time to watch.
-Particularly interested about the EU wanting to turn the UK into 12 regions
- The similarities between the EU and the Soviet Union.
Excellent video should be a compulsory watch for all UK citizens!
The ^^^^^ underlined is already in progress.
And to top it all the 'official' stay pamphlet came through my letter box today.
Before I go into it. The main differences are as has been said many times over
the *stay* rely on maybe's and opinions whereas the *leave* seem
to have more facts at hand!
Four words I know everyone is familiar with but I want to emphasise and define,in
relation to the both sides of the argument.
Facts something actual existing confirmed and validated. Fact is the place
most people tend to think their opinions reside.
Opinions a belief, an impression, a view not based on fact or knowledge
Supposition ideas, notions, views, theory or guesswork?
Propaganda Biased, misleading information deliberately spread to promote
a point of view.
THE FRONT COVER OF THE OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT LEAFLET.....
Why the Government believes that voting to remain in the EU is the best
decision for the UK.
Believes = an opinion/supposition.... not a fact It supposes the gov.
knows best? but does it? the politicians have their own agendas? don't they?
the EU countries buy 44% of what the UK sells abroad. Remaining in
the EU guarantees our full access to its single market. By contrast, leaving
creates uncertainty and risk
So the bigger 56% goes to countries outside of the EU? So it will be necessary to
make good the shortfall else where? (I was in sales!) The EU consists of
28 countries ... there are 196 countries world wide A BIG market
place?
Anyway it is hardly a forgone conclusion = again... opinion/supposition that the EU
will refuse to deal with a strong independent UK,*Made in Britain* was a guarantee
of quality and value? Can be again!
leaving creates uncertainty and risk Hmmn ...Propaganda?
AND EU and guarantee should never be in the same sentence.
Being inside the EU also makes it more attractive for companies to invest in
the UK
Who says so? The UK has more prestige than the EU. London is the biggest financial
centre not Germany or France.
We the UK as a nation needs to stop acting as the abused counterpart of the EU
Some argue little would change if we left the EU. But there are no guarantees
UK customers would keep these benefits if we left
There again only opinions/suppositions, propaganda. There are no guarantees
in life especially within the EU.
Voting to leave the EU would create years of uncertainty and potential
economic disruption
WHY???? Businesses separate part company go their own ways all of the time,
ANOTHER case of opinion/supposition and propaganda
The government judges it could result in 10 years of uncertainty as the UK unpicks
our relationship with the EU and reneogiates new arrangements with the EU and over
50 other countries around the world.
The government judges = opinion/supposition propaganda?
It is a business trading deal not a relationship, and the reason things take so long is
because there is too much bureaucracy and greasing of too many palms.
For example Canada's deal with the EU will give limited access for services,
it has so far been seven years in the making and is still not in force.
Does that surprise anyone? Too big, Too bloated, Too self important and Too much
bureaucracy... The UK will be leaner, fitter, and stronger when independent.
I mean, anyone who has their plans and finance in place for a business project would
be mad to hang around waiting (seven years) for the other side to make up their mind.
But in return for the economic benefits of access to the EU's single market,
non EU countries - such as Norway, have to accept the right of all EU citizens to live
and work in their countryAgree with your analysis. For sure the EU needs us more than we need them. As does the IMF!
That's not trading .... that's dictatorship, that's blackmail.
EU cooperation makes it easier to keep criminals and terrorists out of the
UK
So where did it go wrong with the hate preachers, the rapists, the sex groomers and
Abu Hanza et al.
The UK is part of the EU a group of 28 countries which exists to promote
economic security
LOL!! Tell that to the Greeks!!
The EU operates as a single free trading market without taxes between borders
No taxes ... But exorbitant membership fees to those that can afford them and
subsidising those that cant? A tax by any other name?
The UK has secured a special status in the EU. The UK has kept the £
Not for long if we stay in!!
We have insured that no UK powers can be transferred to the EU in the future
without a referendum.
What power?? the UK no longer has any power its all been
handed over.
The UK is a strong independent nation
Not at present, but it will be if we vote to leave. The truth of the matter is that the EU
needs the UK more than the UK needs the EU.
The UK's ability to gets its way on the issues the UK cares about
LOL!! From a link from a previous post ..." We the UK are in a voting minority
more often than any other member state. Attempts to block unwanted EU measures
have failed 72 out of 72 attempts since 1996!"
And from the back page >>>>The EU provides the UK with ....
A stronger economy
The UK is doing much better economically than any other member nation.
Providing security
Not doing very well themselves in the current situation?? I think our own agencies
along with USA and NATO are a safer bet for the UK.
I'll just sign of my post with some words from Christopher Columbus
You can never cross the ocean, until you have the courage to loose sight of the shore.edit on 12-4-2016 by RP2SticksOfDynamite because: (no reason given)
Agree with your analysis. For sure the EU needs us more than we need them. As does the IMF!edit on 12-4-2016 by RP2SticksOfDynamite because: (no reason given)
originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite
Good question and not sure. Might have something to do with the fact that Scotland probably doesn't want to be part of the UK never mind the EU. What does the first lady of Scotland want considering she represents 80%+ of Scots?
originally posted by: bigyin
IMF: Brexit could cause severe damage
Feel the love my friends lol
This is only the start
originally posted by: bigyin
Look I know it's not relevant I never said it was.
I'm simply pointing out that the tactics being used by the establishment, Project Fear, was used in Scotland.
Everything that has happened so far in #EUref and will happen has already been used on Scots.
So I'm letting you all know to be aware that they will try every dirty trick in the book and even some not in the book to sway the vote.
You probably know that already, but if you don't, then mark my words by the time this is over you will be seething at the depths they will stoop to.
I hear Obama is scheduled to come over next week and stick his oar in. He will tell you to vote Remain.
originally posted by: bigyin
Good video with sound arguments.
Couple of issues with it though.
There is no such thing as a British Constitution, so I don't know why they talk about it so much when it doesn't exist. The laws etc they refer to are different across the UK. English Law and Scottish Law are not the same.
Why oh why do 'English' productions use graphics like this one
Which tries to make out that England is so much bigger (superior) to the rest of the UK by using a southerly point of perspective. Even the BBC does this everyday with weather maps.
A true map of the UK using an overhead point of perspective would look like this
I'm only mentioning it because if you are looking for the support of the whole country in your endeavors to leave the EU it would be a good idea to treat all of the UK fairly.
originally posted by: woogleuk
Then they want to allow countries like Turkey, with suspected ISIS links AND which a large percentage of isn't even in Europe, to join the Eurozone.
Some may argue that we could strike a good deal quickly with the EU
because they want to keep access to our market. But the governments judgment
is that it would be much harder than that ( ) LESS than 8% of EU exports come
to the UK.
Post it back with "Lies" written in black felt on it.
originally posted by: MagnaCarta2015
Received my pro EU govt propaganda booklet today. It irks me that my taxes went towards it. It's bad enough when bbc lies out of its arse but this is just taking the p*ss really.