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because most of the newspapers are ideologically hostile to Brussels, and the BBC is paralysed;
Obviously not though as anything that suggests a remain vote gets boo'd out of oblivion here....
originally posted by: 83Liberty
a reply to: nonspecific
You do have a valid point and I agreed with you. I just don't think there will be many, certainly not enough to make the majority of older people vote to remain in, in my opinion.
Obviously not though as anything that suggests a remain vote gets boo'd out of oblivion here....
I don't see anyone booing if someone suggests that they think we will remain in the EU.
I've stated that I think we will unfortunately vote to remain and I think a couple of others have too.
I''m still waiting for someone to give me a strong positive reason for staying in the EU.
originally posted by: nonspecific
a reply to: nonspecific
You are looking in the wrong place if looking for an unbiased response.
The OP will not even respond to my comments even though they are valid because I am speaking in favour of a remain vote.
It really is quite sad that supposedly informed people will try to use a forum such as this for political gain as opposed to rational discussion but what can you do?
I am happy to debate the situation, this thread is nothing more that a poor attempt at fuelling an EU exit for the UK.
Mortifyingly, this has been the stuff of the EU discussion in Britain since the Brussels bombings last week. The bodies had barely been counted before both the Leave and the Stay lobbies were foully marshalling the dead as a zombie army for their side in the EU debate.
In a nutshell: Do you want to carry on living? Would you rather not be killed on your way to work one Monday morning? Then vote Leave. Or Stay. Or whichever camp has terrified you about terrorism the most; whichever side has appealed most convincingly to your inner black angst in lieu of having anything of substance or spark to say to your mind or heart.
And so the EU debate has become a catfight between catastrophists. And the worst of it is what it does to us, the electorate. The politics of fear reduces us from engaged citizens capable of understanding complexities and making moral decisions to bovine creatures who must be prodded this way or that. Where the old ideal of politics was as a ‘science of government’, and one the demos ought to be trusted to engage with and shape, the politics of fear is an appeal to our more unhinged feelings: the bits of us that are rash, given to freaking out.
It paternalistically treats us as putty to be shaped by claims of fear rather than as minds to be engaged at the level of cool-headed information and serious conviction. It replaces the political with the visceral, a clash of ideas with alternating demands on our darker emotions
Fair comment!
originally posted by: Morrad
a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite
In your last link (Guardian).
because most of the newspapers are ideologically hostile to Brussels, and the BBC is paralysed;
The BBC received millions in EU funding which it did not declare. Hardly paralysed.
Your comments are the correct perspective, there have been many arguments presented on both sides, however, it is hard to avoid noticing that the majority and stronger arguments appear to come from those who favour leaving as do the reference links embedded!
originally posted by: 83Liberty
originally posted by: nonspecific
a reply to: nonspecific
You are looking in the wrong place if looking for an unbiased response.
I'm not looking for an unbiased response. I'm waiting for someone to give me at least one strong positive reason for staying in the EU. It can be from a biased source, as long as it is factually correct.
The OP will not even respond to my comments even though they are valid because I am speaking in favour of a remain vote.
I think that's more to do with your heated argument and throwing insults at each other.
It really is quite sad that supposedly informed people will try to use a forum such as this for political gain as opposed to rational discussion but what can you do?
Why is it sad? This could be potentially one of the biggest votes we will make in our lifetimes and some people believe that the stakes are high for both remaining in the EU and for leaving the EU. It's one of the few things people can actually do to contribute to the debate, other than posting leaflets/knocking on doors etc.
I am happy to debate the situation, this thread is nothing more that a poor attempt at fuelling an EU exit for the UK.
There have been dozens of very valid points being made with regard to EU membership and you only see it as an attempt to fuel an EU exit because the majority of the major points have come from the Leave side.
I ask again... give me one strong positive reason for staying in the EU.
originally posted by: anxiouswens
For those interested this is link for ongoing vote on EU which will run up until 23 Junewww.pollstation.uk...
Only 3,514 votes so far as just started but so far 61% to Leave which interestingly is similar to voting trend on here. I sure hope this is true. I wonder why the official polls are so different to these results?
My mission was a secret because I'm actually going to vote remain..............?, but I like winding some folk up!
originally posted by: anxiouswens
Are you Nigel Farage, Boris Johnson or Ian Duncan Smith in disguise? You seem very well read and informed on the nonsense being pushed by Remain! Only kidding good work lola reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite