UK Referendum 23 June 2016 - Will it be an EU BREXIT or Not?

originally posted by: eletheia

leave.eu...


A few highlights from all walks of life of how being in the EU is detrimental to the UK. I urge
you to read the full stories, could well be an eye opener .... It was for me.

Dr Chris Leigh - of the Astrophysics Research Institute Liverpool.
Dr Leigh reveals the argument that British Science will be left out in the cold if UK leaves the
EU to be untrue.
Five UK universities feature in the top twenty universities worldwide, no other EU country
is on that list Shame on those of you in the UK who like to put Britain down as a 'has been'
The European Space Agency (ESA) which recently launched Major Tim Peak into space (on a
Russian Spacecraft] is an inter governmental organisation. It has NEVER been an agency of
the EU. British involvement in these great and longstanding institutions would continue after Brexit.
It is extremely disingenuous to suggest otherwise.


Pam Watts. Financial Director
Our universities produce world class engineers, scientists and innovators. Invention and
engineering is what we do best at. Yet how can we stand behind our great engineers and
scientists when we work on an uneven playing field


Colin Smith. Managing Director CSC Ltd.
The EU is stifling British Innovation. I know this is happening throughout numerous industries,
where it has become almost impossible to get approval for new products. What a terrible waste
of time and money, and what an appalling hamper to innovation.
The UK government fought our case at a biocide meeting in Brussels, but regretfully to no avail.
In the EU you have to abide by the arbituary procedure they dictate even if you try to
export to non EU countries such as India or the USA.


Jason Potchett. Mechanical Engineer
EU rules and regulations have been showered over my industry, the actual content of which
are problematic. This hurts the competitiveness of the UK. In many cases the regulations are
bad news and it doesn't take long for people in the industry to realise that these rules have
been dreamt up by someone in Brussels who hasn't a clue about the work.


Lance Testa. Managing Director and Parent.
As a parent, my main concern is my children's security, provision for their future, and their life
opportunities. The EU threatens all three. If we left we could fund all our resources on the citizens
of the UK, and this would create more opportunities for my children, and yours.
We should dedicate more of our resources to fixing poverty in the UK, rather than providing for
the entire EU.It should always be the first priority of any government to provide for its own
people NOT the five hundred million plus EU citizens.


Peter Grant
EU membership has cost us the loss of our *soverign* control. Westminster can never do anything
due to obscure EU regulations. What has become clear is that Westminster will not admit to how
much Soverignity has been signed away.
EU logic means one customer is dictating to another's requirement which they didn't need or ask
for.
Especially when someone else could provide the same at lower cost....Who then has to absorb
the cost of the EU regulations? We do! leading to reduced profits, prosperity and tax revenue.


Charlie Latchford. Medical student
I am not political, but having looked at the issue of the EU in some detail it seems to me the UK's
strongest position would be out of the EU.
Last year the UK was billed £1.7billion because of the strong performance of her economy
that in addition to the £14billion EU membership fee we pay every year.
This is UK money being taken away from building schools, hospitals and infrastructure. How can it
be said that EU membership is this valuable, when the UK cant even afford to train their own
citizens to become Doctors and Nurses.


Angus Dalgleish. Consultant Oncologist
I have worked in research for decades, and the biggest blow dealt me in my own field of cancer
and immunology is the EU *Clinical Trials Directive*... it is a disaster that threatens patients lives.
This Directive is plainly a product of the enormous lobbying power *Big Pharma* has been able to
concentrate in Brussels.
Another EU regulation which has had disasterous effects on the NHS is the *Working Time
Directive* which has resulted in trainee surgeons loosing up to 3,000 hours of training time.
Standards have been hit very hard .... with surgeons being appointed to consultant positions
despite lacking a level of experience that would have been required even for a registrar in
previous years.


Reece Haynes. Politics Student.
As a young person I have never had the chance to vote on the UK membership of the EU nor was
I alive for the referendum of 1975. I have been looking at the issue for some time and its quite
easy to see that leaving is by far the best option. I know that the EU is terrible for young people.
If I want to live a life where I am not insecure about the future, it needs to be a life outside
the EU.
I want to live my life without worrying that the UK will be crippled by the EU.


Caroline Drewett. Entrepreneur.
Caroline's experience as an entrepreneur has led her to conclude that the EU has a definite bias
toward large enterprise. When you look at the deluge of requirements imposed on virtually all
business that only large corporations, with hefty compliance departments can accommodate.
You cant help but think the EU is doing it deliberately.
For Britain in particular being dictated to, by a convention of 27 other EU member states, most of
which are much smaller, and very different economically, socially and historically. When you are
the fifth largest economy in the world, and more people speak your language outside of that 27
nation bloc than in.
This is a vision that needs to get through to younger people who will see their opportunities to
flourish outside of the EU.

After typing all that I say "For shame" to all those who do Britain down, repeatedly saying it is no
longer Great.

There it is in greater depth >>>
leave.eu...

This was an interesting read. If only all the details in this thread could reach the wider public who need to know the real truth!

a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite

As I said before your true colours are on show for all to see.

It is fine to have a political agenda but to use what you did as fuel for your fire is weak at best.

Also to become angry and call me a wanker is just puerile.

Bring it to the table in an adult manner or leave it in the school playground.

Do not become angry towards me because your true intentions have become transparent due to your own actions and words.

a reply to: eletheia

Felt guilty tonight after reading this. Caught a bug so not been able to review that report I mentioned yesterday but I will do.

You have given some great info in this thread.


Edit: Forgot to mention. Greenland left the EEC (former EU) and are thriving. From The Telegraph, 2010

If you think that leaving the EU would be catastrophic, take a look at Greenland. By rights its people ought to be poor. Their island is isolated, suffers from freezing weather, has a workforce of only 28,000 and relies on fish for 82 per cent of its exports. But it turns out that since leaving the EU, Greenland has been so freed of EU red tape and of the destruction of the Common Fisheries Policy, that the average income of the islanders today is higher than those living in Britain, Germany and France.

Greenland’s politicians realised that the fisheries policy was ruining their fishing industry. They had the guts to stand up against the all the prophets of doom and let their people vote in a referendum on leaving the European Community, as the EU was then called. On January 1, 1985, it became independent of Brussels – the only country ever to do so.

Why is Greenland so rich these days? It said goodbye to the EU

originally posted by: Morrad


Edit: Forgot to mention. Greenland left the EEC (former EU) and are thriving. From The Times, 2010



If you think that leaving the EU would be catastrophic, take a look at Greenland. By rights its people ought to be poor. Their island is isolated, suffers from freezing weather, has a workforce of only 28,000 and relies on fish for 82 per cent of its exports. But it turns out that since leaving the EU, Greenland has been so freed of EU red tape and of the destruction of the Common Fisheries Policy, that the average income of the islanders today is higher than those living in Britain, Germany and France.

Greenland’s politicians realised that the fisheries policy was ruining their fishing industry. They had the guts to stand up against the all the prophets of doom and let their people vote in a referendum on leaving the European Community, as the EU was then called. On January 1, 1985, it became independent of Brussels – the only country ever to do so.

LOL!! They obviously took that *leap into the unknown* that the IN lobby

keep preaching about! and it certainly hasn't done them any harm.

I believe the EU has also ruined the UK fishing industry too, along with the

farming/agricultural industry to boot.


Greenland doing so well on their own should be a wake up call for the UK

they certainly don't have as many natural advantages as the UK so kudos to

them for being so successful .... and being where they are they wont have

an immigration problem like the UK somewhat of a natural border control??

a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite

I'm a Scottish Nationalist so I want to leave the Union with England for mostly the same reasons that British Nationalists want to leave the Union with Europe.

I consider myself Scottish first. I don't want to be British anymore. Doesn't work for us.

Do I want to be in Europe ? Well my gut says no. But for political reasons I will vote to stay. I'm hoping that England votes for #Brexit and Scotland votes to stay. That will give us another chance at Independence away from corrupt Westminster.

Put me down as a stay in EU

originally posted by: bigyin
I'm a Scottish Nationalist so I want to leave the Union with England for mostly the same reasons that British Nationalists want to leave the Union with Europe.

I consider myself Scottish first. I don't want to be British anymore. Doesn't work for us.

You ARE Scottish first ...second ... and ...thirdly and that cant be taken away

from you. *British* is the collective word for all on this island plus Ireland. So

whether the UK stays or leaves, it wont effect your being Scottish! However

I may be wrong but I believe the correct term would be a *Scot*?

Do I want to be in Europe ? Well my gut says no. But for political reasons I will vote to stay. I'm hoping that England votes for #Brexit and Scotland votes to stay. That will give us another chance at Independence away from corrupt Westminster.

IF the result of the referendum is to stay. Scotland may not get the

split from England that they want, due to the power play of the EU they may

not allow the UK to split if only for the hell of it. IF the UK doesn't leave it will

be an entirely different ball game .... the EU will tighten the screws. We have

no power now, I dread to think what it will be like if we don't get out now, the

EU is squeezing the life out of the UK.

Trust your gut I would say. What if you vote to stay in EU and get your referendum once again and people still vote to remain part of UK. You will have voted to remain in EU evrn if you dont really want to and your votes could be vital.

I have many Scottish friends who are mainly SNP and who were passionate about leaving Britain but who are also passionate about getting out of the EU.

My advice to you would be to try and separate the EU referendum from your desire to be free of Britain and vote honestly rather than politically because if we decide to Remain I think you can forget your referendum as our democracy will definitely disintegrate and we will all be governed by people we didnt vote for EU. Before you say that is already the case as Scotland didnt vote Conservatives well Ive got news for you most of the North of England are in the same boat. What we should should actually be pushing for is a new voting system.

If I was you I would see how SNP do in the local election. If they lose seats then I would say another referendum for Scotland would be out of the question as it would show disillusionment with SNP and therefore wouldnt give the mandate to call another referendum in any event.

Vote wisely because it will affect not only us but future generations!a reply to: bigyin

Some good news for the Leave Campaign. Recent poll puts Leave 2% ahead and Remain have lost 2%. Lets hope this is an ongoing trend and increases on the lead up to 23 June. It would be interesting to know the figures following yesterdays events maybe some will have been swayed to Leave amongst the undecided.

Can someone answer me whether it is true there has to be a 10% difference of votes following referendum and if there isnt David Cameron can stil say we will Remain?

uk.mobile.reuters.com...

originally posted by: anxiouswens
Can someone answer me whether it is true there has to be a 10% difference of votes following referendum and if there isnt David Cameron can stil say we will Remain?

Doesn't the EU have a penchant for having a revote .... till they get the result they

require? LOL!!!

I must say when Scotland had their referendum there was so much passion leading up to it. National pride was on show for everyone to see. One of my frienfs from Glasgow was constantly singing old folk songs and songs such as Loch Lomond or something like that (I think she had had a few red wines at the time). There almost seemed a carnival atmosphere.

I think the campaigning so far has completely lacked any of the poaitivity and hope on both sides. I just wish we could all collectively find it within ourselves to promote how rather than being Britain we can in time be Great Britain again!

Hopefully as the time draws nearer we will start to see some national pride with flags flying, Rule Britannia etc. Basically I want a big party, I want to sit up all night drinking with like minded people and celebrate the Leave result together. Anyone up for it a reply to: bigyin

They better not start any dirty business us Brits may still have a stiff upper lip to some extent but they dont want to try and take us on if Leave wins, there will be bloody riots!a reply to: eletheia

originally posted by: nonspecific
a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite

As I said before your true colours are on show for all to see.

It is fine to have a political agenda but to use what you did as fuel for your fire is weak at best.

Also to become angry and call me a wanker is just puerile.

Bring it to the table in an adult manner or leave it in the school playground.

Do not become angry towards me because your true intentions have become transparent due to your own actions and words.

You insult someone without justification then you get told what you are. And manhood don't go there! Please refrain from any further posts in my thread. They are not welcome. This thread was fine without you!

Mods - Please delete any further posts from 'nonspecific'.
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originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite

originally posted by: nonspecific
a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite

As I said before your true colours are on show for all to see.

It is fine to have a political agenda but to use what you did as fuel for your fire is weak at best.

Also to become angry and call me a wanker is just puerile.

Bring it to the table in an adult manner or leave it in the school playground.

Do not become angry towards me because your true intentions have become transparent due to your own actions and words.

You insult someone without justification then you get told what you are. And manhood don't go there! Please refrain from any further posts in my thread. They are not welcome. This thread was fine without you!

Mods - Please delete any further posts from 'nonspecific'.
Thank you

You cannot do that you fool!

This only furthers the truth in that you are only interested in those who agree with your views!

This is a discussion forum not a soap box for you to spread your silly propaganda.

Refrain from commenting indeed...

originally posted by: eletheia

originally posted by: Morrad


Edit: Forgot to mention. Greenland left the EEC (former EU) and are thriving. From The Times, 2010



If you think that leaving the EU would be catastrophic, take a look at Greenland. By rights its people ought to be poor. Their island is isolated, suffers from freezing weather, has a workforce of only 28,000 and relies on fish for 82 per cent of its exports. But it turns out that since leaving the EU, Greenland has been so freed of EU red tape and of the destruction of the Common Fisheries Policy, that the average income of the islanders today is higher than those living in Britain, Germany and France.

Greenland’s politicians realised that the fisheries policy was ruining their fishing industry. They had the guts to stand up against the all the prophets of doom and let their people vote in a referendum on leaving the European Community, as the EU was then called. On January 1, 1985, it became independent of Brussels – the only country ever to do so.

LOL!! They obviously took that *leap into the unknown* that the IN lobby

keep preaching about! and it certainly hasn't done them any harm.

I believe the EU has also ruined the UK fishing industry too, along with the

farming/agricultural industry to boot.


Greenland doing so well on their own should be a wake up call for the UK

they certainly don't have as many natural advantages as the UK so kudos to

them for being so successful .... and being where they are they wont have

an immigration problem like the UK somewhat of a natural border control??

UK fishermen have suffered terribly as a result of the EU, the restrictions on what they can wish, when and how much has been decidedly unfair and made life more difficult for UK fishermen. UK fishermen will be voting OUT for sure because it will improve their options and livelihoods!

originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite

originally posted by: nonspecific
a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite

As I said before your true colours are on show for all to see.

It is fine to have a political agenda but to use what you did as fuel for your fire is weak at best.

Also to become angry and call me a wanker is just puerile.

Bring it to the table in an adult manner or leave it in the school playground.

Do not become angry towards me because your true intentions have become transparent due to your own actions and words.

You insult someone without justification then you get told what you are. And manhood don't go there! Please refrain from any further posts in my thread. They are not welcome. This thread was fine without you!

Mods - Please delete any further posts from 'nonspecific'.
Thank you

You cannot do that you fool!

This only furthers the truth in that you are only interested in those who agree with your views!

This is a discussion forum not a soap box for you to spread your silly propaganda.

Refrain from commenting indeed...

Rubbish! All views are welcome as is debate. But not insults because you cant win the debate. I wish you to refrain from positing in the thread because you unjustifiably insulted me and suggested that I stooped low. The only fool here is you because you foolishly believe that we will and should REMAIN in the EU. If that's not foolish then I don't know what is!! ! You are clearly an inadequate! No letters after your name I'm sure. You don't want to know how many there are after mine!

After over 33 pages of posts, only you has a problem. That's self explanatory!

Like I said W!!!

originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite

originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite

originally posted by: nonspecific
a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite

As I said before your true colours are on show for all to see.

It is fine to have a political agenda but to use what you did as fuel for your fire is weak at best.

Also to become angry and call me a wanker is just puerile.

Bring it to the table in an adult manner or leave it in the school playground.

Do not become angry towards me because your true intentions have become transparent due to your own actions and words.

You insult someone without justification then you get told what you are. And manhood don't go there! Please refrain from any further posts in my thread. They are not welcome. This thread was fine without you!

Mods - Please delete any further posts from 'nonspecific'.
Thank you

You cannot do that you fool!

This only furthers the truth in that you are only interested in those who agree with your views!

This is a discussion forum not a soap box for you to spread your silly propaganda.

Refrain from commenting indeed...

Rubbish! I wish you to refrain from positing in the thread because you unjustifiably insulted me and suggested that I stooped low. The only fool here is you! You are clearly an inadequate!

Like I said W!!!

My accusing you of using the Belgian bombings to further your own cause was not an insult it was a personal opinion on the disgraceful lengths that you will go to to put forward your political opinion.

Do you really think that calling me names and demanding that I no longer participate in an open discussion on a public forum is going to affect me?

What I will do is get back to the topic in hand and refrain from your wish to bicker in a petty and quite honestly embarrassing fashion.

originally posted by: bigyin
a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite

I'm a Scottish Nationalist so I want to leave the Union with England for mostly the same reasons that British Nationalists want to leave the Union with Europe.

I consider myself Scottish first. I don't want to be British anymore. Doesn't work for us.

Do I want to be in Europe ? Well my gut says no. But for political reasons I will vote to stay. I'm hoping that England votes for #Brexit and Scotland votes to stay. That will give us another chance at Independence away from corrupt Westminster.

Put me down as a stay in EU

Will do. I understand your position and you are right that it may give you another chance at Indep.

originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite

originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite

originally posted by: nonspecific
a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite

As I said before your true colours are on show for all to see.

It is fine to have a political agenda but to use what you did as fuel for your fire is weak at best.

Also to become angry and call me a wanker is just puerile.

Bring it to the table in an adult manner or leave it in the school playground.

Do not become angry towards me because your true intentions have become transparent due to your own actions and words.

You insult someone without justification then you get told what you are. And manhood don't go there! Please refrain from any further posts in my thread. They are not welcome. This thread was fine without you!

Mods - Please delete any further posts from 'nonspecific'.
Thank you

You cannot do that you fool!

This only furthers the truth in that you are only interested in those who agree with your views!

This is a discussion forum not a soap box for you to spread your silly propaganda.

Refrain from commenting indeed...

Rubbish! I wish you to refrain from positing in the thread because you unjustifiably insulted me and suggested that I stooped low. The only fool here is you! You are clearly an inadequate!

Like I said W!!!

My accusing you of using the Belgian bombings to further your own cause was not an insult it was a personal opinion on the disgraceful lengths that you will go to to put forward your political opinion.

Do you really think that calling me names and demanding that I no longer participate in an open discussion on a public forum is going to affect me?

What I will do is get back to the topic in hand and refrain from your wish to bicker in a petty and quite honestly embarrassing fashion.

Go away silly person. No one used anything!

originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite

originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite

originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite

originally posted by: nonspecific
a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite

As I said before your true colours are on show for all to see.

It is fine to have a political agenda but to use what you did as fuel for your fire is weak at best.

Also to become angry and call me a wanker is just puerile.

Bring it to the table in an adult manner or leave it in the school playground.

Do not become angry towards me because your true intentions have become transparent due to your own actions and words.

You insult someone without justification then you get told what you are. And manhood don't go there! Please refrain from any further posts in my thread. They are not welcome. This thread was fine without you!

Mods - Please delete any further posts from 'nonspecific'.
Thank you

You cannot do that you fool!

This only furthers the truth in that you are only interested in those who agree with your views!

This is a discussion forum not a soap box for you to spread your silly propaganda.

Refrain from commenting indeed...

Rubbish! I wish you to refrain from positing in the thread because you unjustifiably insulted me and suggested that I stooped low. The only fool here is you! You are clearly an inadequate!

Like I said W!!!

My accusing you of using the Belgian bombings to further your own cause was not an insult it was a personal opinion on the disgraceful lengths that you will go to to put forward your political opinion.

Do you really think that calling me names and demanding that I no longer participate in an open discussion on a public forum is going to affect me?

What I will do is get back to the topic in hand and refrain from your wish to bicker in a petty and quite honestly embarrassing fashion.

Go away silly person. No one used anything!

You really are making yourself look foolish now.

You want to exclude me from a discussion because my opinion differs from yours.

You call me names and think the mods will remove my comments at your request.

As I said I will comment as I please and as long as the terms and conditions of the site are met I have as much right to be a part of this discussion as you or anyone else.

No lets get back on topic if you don't mind.

Shall I go and get visitors so we can all get on his case instead?