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And the Government want to cut benefits for the less fortunate i.e. Invalids!
originally posted by: eletheia
originally posted by: visitors
I'm not in the sees-the-future club. So I don't know. Some things are obvious what way they will go, for me this one isn't. I would say that given the UK has no money to fill the gaps that will be left if they leave (referring to the subsidies the EU pays its members) that they don't really have a choice, they have to stay in it.
Did you know that the UK is now the second biggest contributor to the EU budget?
In round figures 10 billion.
So in point of fact the relatively small subsidies received by the UK are simply a
small portion of what the UK has already paid in ... you could say pocket money!!
www.dailymail.co.uk...
originally posted by: nonspecific
I will answer the question you posted above though and say that this is one of the primary reasons I am voting "IN" as it stands. I do not wish the UK to fall even deeper into the pocket of the US As I said before I would be a member
of a corrupt European union than the lap dog of an even more corrupt United states of America
How will you vote?
originally posted by: Morrad
reply to visitors
This is about leaving a European Union which is both illiberal and undemocratic. It has no bearing on us being European. The EU is run by a bunch of elitist cultural Marxists who are increasingly forcing their PC nonsense onto everyone. They have already started claiming that Brexiters are Europhobic which is twaddle. Most Brexiters don't hate our European neighbours, they hate the EU and everything it stands for (ie a roadmap to tyranny).
You mentioned the Census being un-evolved (sic) when actually it is very evolved. It relates to the science of Demography.
From your posts I get the impression that you would not take employment that is 'beneath you' while looking for more appropriate employment for your skills. This is not only wrong but also a paradox. Where is the dignity in not supporting yourself independently rather than relying on the state?
originally posted by: eletheia
originally posted by: nonspecific
I will answer the question you posted above though and say that this is one of the primary reasons I am voting "IN" as it stands. I do not wish the UK to fall even deeper into the pocket of the US As I said before I would be a member
of a corrupt European union than the lap dog of an even more corrupt United states of America
We do not necessarily have to love who we go to bed with but it helps if we know
how to take them and their faults? ....and how their mind works?
Makes for a more even playing field?
When you take on an adversary isn't a *one to one* preferable to a *gang bang*
originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite
Current status of ATS vote after 31 pages is as follows:-
%
Eligible IN = 18.06
Eligible OUT = 61.11
Eligible UNDEC = 12.50
InEligible IN = 0.00
InEligible OUT = 6.94
InEligible UNDEC = 0.00
Overall IN OUT UNDEC
% 98.61 % 18.06 68.06 12.50
A wage that enables a family to remain healthy and enjoy a few pleasures in life. A wage that enables one to save a minimum of 5% of their income and one that ensures they can keep the family warm in winter! This is possible if we remove the GREED factor which damages us all!! It should not just be about ones might of mind or body but skills considered and ability. My father was a Forgeman and the best in England (that is a known fact)! His skill and strength was renowned but he wasn't a mentally agile man and this did not put a constraint on his income which was large because he earned more for his ability to do things quickly others could not on peace work!
originally posted by: nonspecific
a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite
What would be considered a decent wage for what is although a pretty physical job something that requires little thought or intelligence though?
In my area bin men are all agency staff and get £9.25ph. There is no guarantee of work but if you are up and ready for a phone call at 5.30am and do not get work you still get half a days pay.
That is a lot more than other jobs round here including chefs who need qualifications and also have to work hard.
You should not trust the official figures! Like I have said and many others 60% of people I know from various circles are voting OUT which is in line with our ATS vote!
originally posted by: nonspecific
originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite
Current status of ATS vote after 31 pages is as follows:-
%
Eligible IN = 18.06
Eligible OUT = 61.11
Eligible UNDEC = 12.50
InEligible IN = 0.00
InEligible OUT = 6.94
InEligible UNDEC = 0.00
Overall IN OUT UNDEC
% 98.61 % 18.06 68.06 12.50
This is quite an interesting insight into the UK membership of ATS then!
"Official polls" currently put the "Exit" vote at 49% with the "Remain" at 51% with not unsure figures included.
Does this mean that ATS members are more informed or simply more distrustful?
The exit vote is gaing though so maybe ATS is just ahead of the game
www.theweek.co.uk... 5461/eu-referendum-in-camps-lead-narrows-in-latest-poll-of-polls
originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite
Did you know that the UK is now the second biggest contributor to the EU budget?
In round figures 10 billion.
And the Government want to cut benefits for the less fortunate i.e. Invalids!
originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite
You should not trust the official figures! Like I have said and many others 60% of people I know from various circles are voting OUT which is in line with our ATS vote!
originally posted by: nonspecific
originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite
Current status of ATS vote after 31 pages is as follows:-
%
Eligible IN = 18.06
Eligible OUT = 61.11
Eligible UNDEC = 12.50
InEligible IN = 0.00
InEligible OUT = 6.94
InEligible UNDEC = 0.00
Overall IN OUT UNDEC
% 98.61 % 18.06 68.06 12.50
This is quite an interesting insight into the UK membership of ATS then!
"Official polls" currently put the "Exit" vote at 49% with the "Remain" at 51% with not unsure figures included.
Does this mean that ATS members are more informed or simply more distrustful?
The exit vote is gaing though so maybe ATS is just ahead of the game
www.theweek.co.uk... 5461/eu-referendum-in-camps-lead-narrows-in-latest-poll-of-polls
originally posted by: nonspecific
I do not trust any polling figures including this one as they can be manipulated so easily.
Also it seems to me that when a big decision is to be made then the projections fall foul at the last minute as many silent voters choos to keep the status quo and many who favour change bottle it at the last minute.
The Scottish referendum went a similar way I think and UKIP got far less support than the polls and ATS suggested at the last general election.
originally posted by: nonspecific
I do not trust any polling figures including this one as they can be manipulated so easily.
Also it seems to me that when a big decision is to be made then the projections fall foul at the last minute as many silent voters choos to keep the status quo and many who favour change bottle it at the last minute.
The Scottish referendum went a similar way I think and UKIP got far less support than the polls and ATS suggested at the last general election.
How on earth can I manipulate these figures. Its a simple adding of each vote for each option and then votes option/total votes x 100 to get the %! And that is exactly what I have done. So my figures are not in any way manipulated. They are as ATS members specified!
originally posted by: nonspecific
originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite
You should not trust the official figures! Like I have said and many others 60% of people I know from various circles are voting OUT which is in line with our ATS vote!
originally posted by: nonspecific
originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite
Current status of ATS vote after 31 pages is as follows:-
%
Eligible IN = 18.06
Eligible OUT = 61.11
Eligible UNDEC = 12.50
InEligible IN = 0.00
InEligible OUT = 6.94
InEligible UNDEC = 0.00
Overall IN OUT UNDEC
% 98.61 % 18.06 68.06 12.50
This is quite an interesting insight into the UK membership of ATS then!
"Official polls" currently put the "Exit" vote at 49% with the "Remain" at 51% with not unsure figures included.
Does this mean that ATS members are more informed or simply more distrustful?
The exit vote is gaing though so maybe ATS is just ahead of the game
www.theweek.co.uk... 5461/eu-referendum-in-camps-lead-narrows-in-latest-poll-of-polls
I do not trust any polling figures including this one as they can be manipulated so easily.
Also it seems to me that when a big decision is to be made then the projections fall foul at the last minute as many silent voters choos to keep the status quo and many who favour change bottle it at the last minute.
The Scottish referendum went a similar way I think and UKIP got far less support than the polls and ATS suggested at the last general election.