UK Referendum 23 June 2016 - Will it be an EU BREXIT or Not?

a reply to: UKTruth

I don't buy into the theory that the virus was deliberately released.

But, I'm not that naive that I don't think TPTB and other groups will not use the outbreak as an opportunity to further their own vested interests.

We keep on hearing from our colonial cousins across the pond that this is part of some global socialist driven agenda yet it is Conservative governments like our own that are at the forefront of the drive to limit and restrict our freedoms.

None of the political elites across the political divide or the vast majority of bankers and industrialists here in the UK supported Brexit - Brexit was very much driven and supported by the ordinary, everyday British people - and it will come as no surprise at all if those elites unite and use this pandemic to justify postponement or even abandonment of Brexit until such time that the economy has 'recovered'.

With restrictions looming for TV and even the internet the pro-EU propaganda machine would be unopposed and with traditional meeting places for people being shut down it would be almost impossible to counter their dogma and rhetoric.

Worst case scenario possibly....but it wouldn't come as too much of a surprise.

Me?.....I just want to go to the pub, have a 'few' pints and a bit of craic with my mates.

a reply to: Freeborn
In my personal opinion, Boris etc are breathing a big sigh of relief (as we all should be) that the Brexit issue was got out of the way before all this started. Can you imagine the last Parliament dealing with this virus? I doubt that they're stupid enough to complicate things even more by throwing themselves back into it.

a reply to: DISRAELI

But Brexit hasn't really been 'got out of the way', the details still need sorting out....and there are a lot of bloody details too.
This is going to be complicated with economies being ruined.

Boris never supported Brexit, he was always a Remainer until he was 'persuaded' to be a leading light in the Brexit campaign.
It was a means to an end for him; becoming Prime Minister.....and you've got to say that from that perspective he played a blinder.

The last Parliament was a disgrace and personally I would ban every single person remotely connected with it from ever holding public office again.
This Parliament is Boris's lap dog and will do as he commands.
The real question is who does Boris answer to because I'm absolutely certain he's NOT the one pulling the strings?

And I suspect that if they promote the 'national interest' line both Parliament and the public would be persuaded to accept some sort of delay in finalising the details surrounding Brexit.
The next step could quite easily be postponement then possibly even abandonment.

Of course this could all be nonsense and Brexit goes on as planned, lockdown restrictions are lifted and there will be no government censorship of the media and internet.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: UKTruth

I don't buy into the theory that the virus was deliberately released.

But, I'm not that naive that I don't think TPTB and other groups will not use the outbreak as an opportunity to further their own vested interests.

We keep on hearing from our colonial cousins across the pond that this is part of some global socialist driven agenda yet it is Conservative governments like our own that are at the forefront of the drive to limit and restrict our freedoms.

None of the political elites across the political divide or the vast majority of bankers and industrialists here in the UK supported Brexit - Brexit was very much driven and supported by the ordinary, everyday British people - and it will come as no surprise at all if those elites unite and use this pandemic to justify postponement or even abandonment of Brexit until such time that the economy has 'recovered'.

With restrictions looming for TV and even the internet the pro-EU propaganda machine would be unopposed and with traditional meeting places for people being shut down it would be almost impossible to counter their dogma and rhetoric.

Worst case scenario possibly....but it wouldn't come as too much of a surprise.

Me?.....I just want to go to the pub, have a 'few' pints and a bit of craic with my mates.

Election year in US and negotiations for the UK with Europe. Add in a number of other European countries swinging towards centre right leadership. Then the world economy is crashed and people's lives are made a misery. I don't believe in coincidences of that magnitude.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite

Do you think they might use the Coronavirus outbreak as an excuse to postpone Brexit until a later date?

Depending on how bad the economy slips I think there is a real chance they delay it for a few years and thus opening up the real prospect of another referendum.

No. I think that it is now likely we will proceed with a no deal if we can t get the Canadian style deal and believe the EU now have a weak hand. The Remainers BS arguments have gone away.

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originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: DISRAELI

But Brexit hasn't really been 'got out of the way', the details still need sorting out....and there are a lot of bloody details too.
This is going to be complicated with economies being ruined.

You're not wrong, the issue is there are 2 more video conferences arranged to discuss this before the end of June, if they can't come up with a deal in that time the UK will walk away and start preparing for No Deal. As you say, there is a lot of bloody details.

We are headed for No Deal, just as Reese-Mogg and others wanted, I daresay it was the plan all along.

We are screwed...

originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite

Do you think they might use the Coronavirus outbreak as an excuse to postpone Brexit until a later date?

Depending on how bad the economy slips I think there is a real chance they delay it for a few years and thus opening up the real prospect of another referendum.

No. I think that it is now likely we will proceed with a no deal if we can t get the Canadian style deal and believe the EU now have a weak hand. The Remainers BS arguments have gone away.

BREXIT will proceed. New start for UK

We ARE headed for no deal, this has been the plan for a while, it's been obvious.

It's interesting you think Remainers arguments have gone a way, from my perspective they've been confirmed and actually, Leavers are finding themselves conflicted. I've seen a few accounts of chest beating Brexiteers that have moved over to the Leaver side over this. I have never seen anyone use Covid-19 as a case to strengthen the Leave argument...

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NO DEAL is what we decided in the Referendum despite the lies we had to endure for 3 years.

ANY concession that gives the EU even a SLIGHT say in our right to manage our own affairs as we see fit is a betrayal of the people of this country.

NO DEAL IS THE ONLY DEAL.

originally posted by: UKTruth
NO DEAL is what we decided in the Referendum despite the lies we had to endure for 3 years.

ANY concession that gives the EU even a SLIGHT say in our right to manage our own affairs as we see fit is a betrayal of the people of this country.

NO DEAL IS THE ONLY DEAL.

Agree that would be the best outcome!

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originally posted by: UKTruth
NO DEAL is what we decided in the Referendum despite the lies we had to endure for 3 years.
ANY concession that gives the EU even a SLIGHT say in our right to manage our own affairs as we see fit is a betrayal of the people of this country.
NO DEAL IS THE ONLY DEAL.

What part of *OUT of the EU* does Barnier and his crew not understand?

originally posted by: eletheia

originally posted by: UKTruth
NO DEAL is what we decided in the Referendum despite the lies we had to endure for 3 years.
ANY concession that gives the EU even a SLIGHT say in our right to manage our own affairs as we see fit is a betrayal of the people of this country.
NO DEAL IS THE ONLY DEAL.

What part of *OUT of the EU* does Barnier and his crew not understand?

They always believed it wouldn't happen and did all they could to help prevent it. The game is up!

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a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite

It was only the other day I was reading how Barnier was ready to compromise on most major issues.
Which is right?

Either the media/press haven't got a clue what is going on or Barnier hasn't got a clue what it is going on or our negotiating team haven't got a clue what is going on.....or all three?

ETA.

Here's the link to the thread about Barnier giving in to UK demands.
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originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite

It was only the other day I was reading how Barnier was ready to compromise on most major issues.
Which is right?

Either the media/press haven't got a clue what is going on or Barnier hasn't got a clue what it is going on or our negotiating team haven't got a clue what is going on.....or all three?

ETA.

Here's the link to the thread about Barnier giving in to UK demands.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Sounded like he was forced to take a harder line by member states - who at this point will be sh*tting themselves over our full exit from the EU. A no deal - which is what we voted for - has a massively bigger impact on the EU than it does us.

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