UK Referendum 23 June 2016 - Will it be an EU BREXIT or Not?

originally posted by: UKTruth
Theresa May has just said there will be 'no back door attempts to remain in the Eu' and there will no second referendum.

No possibility for staying in the Eu

I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of libitards suddenly cried out in terror, and were silenced.

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: UKTruth
Theresa May has just said there will be 'no back door attempts to remain in the Eu' and there will no second referendum.

No possibility for staying in the Eu

I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of libitards suddenly cried out in terror, and were silenced.

Globalism beginning to crumble.

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: UKTruth
Theresa May has just said there will be 'no back door attempts to remain in the Eu' and there will no second referendum.

No possibility for staying in the Eu

I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of libitards suddenly cried out in terror, and were silenced.

Indeed.......


RA

originally posted by: UKTruth
Theresa May has just said there will be 'no back door attempts to remain in the Eu' and there will no second referendum.

No possibility for staying in the Eu

I am thinking that May is actually playing a blinder here by putting the most senior Brexiteers in charge of negotiations. It really is a case of chickens coming home to roost and will make or break quite a few heavyweight political careers. She has, in effect, given Bojo et al a chance to either make good on their promises or end their senior political careers forever. For example, if they pull it off and all goes well, then Bojo will be PM at some point in future. If, on the other hand, they completely cock it up and the Remainers predictions come true, no one will ever take him seriously again.

I firmly believe Johnson got far more than he bargained for with this result. My view is that he campaigned not particularly because he wished to leave necessarily, more to further his own career. The sort of statements he has made over the last year or so back that view up.

Regardless of the outcome though, don't expect things to move quickly. That will not benefit us in the slightest as we need to carefully unpick existing legislation - otherwise it will bite us on the ar£!

originally posted by: slider1982
As a nation we should now stack the shelves and get the shop window ready, however in true EU fashion there is some obscure law under article number blah blah blah section 5 that states we cannot sign any trade deals until after we are "officially" out of this this crap, oh well the day we are away from this cluster f#ck get the pens out and start writing..
RA

Typical moronic statement from a Brexiter. Of course you have to officially leave before you can re-negotiate it would pointless otherwise. You could just turn around and say "can't get a deal we want so we aren't going to leave". Leaving is not about the incredibly narrow minded self centred only the UK matters mindset. It is about ensuring all the other countries still in the Union don't get shafted. Hence the 2 year negotiation AFTER you officially state your intention to leave (triggering article 50).

FYI : 2 years is not a fixed term. It is a maximum default term by which time whatever deal has been struck , or not, the EU can wave goodbye. It can be extended if the European Parliament votes to extend the period the UK has no say. And there is article 283......oh dear. That article covers the negotiating team. It states that the negotating team can have the negotiation period reduced by a vote of the EU Parliament.

Basically 2 years is a default without any EU vote. If the EU votes then it could be whatever period the EU chooses!

Interesting article here about what we know about Brexit negotiations, for those interested.

New Statesman

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Flavian
a reply to: slider1982

Actually, even some Leave supporters are not against a second referendum - and not because they have changed their minds! It is because the majority was so small for such a major political decision.

That leaves me conflicted. On the one hand, i support that position as unlike elections, we do not get a chance to undo the decision. Such major change should have a clear mandate and, whatever anyone says, a 52-48 decision is not a clear majority.

On the other hand, the vote has happened so lets get on it with it.

Your last sentence is right.
The govt and the media wanted a remain vote - if it were them voting it would have been 80-20 in favour of Leave. Unfortunately for them, the people chose to leave. If it had been 52-48 the other way round, the same people talking about a 2nd referendum would be laughing at the idea.
Ask yourself what happens if a 2nd referendum goes 51-49 in favour of Remain, what then? A third referendum and best of 3? Maybe the third would be 52-48 again in favour of Leave. Maybe then it could be best of 5?
Sounds like kids in a playground to me.

Yes lets all be grown up and press on to our destiny. Like I have said from the beginning we will all benefit in the long run!

originally posted by: yorkshirelad

originally posted by: slider1982
As a nation we should now stack the shelves and get the shop window ready, however in true EU fashion there is some obscure law under article number blah blah blah section 5 that states we cannot sign any trade deals until after we are "officially" out of this this crap, oh well the day we are away from this cluster f#ck get the pens out and start writing..
RA

Typical moronic statement from a Brexiter. Of course you have to officially leave before you can re-negotiate it would pointless otherwise. You could just turn around and say "can't get a deal we want so we aren't going to leave". Leaving is not about the incredibly narrow minded self centred only the UK matters mindset. It is about ensuring all the other countries still in the Union don't get shafted. Hence the 2 year negotiation AFTER you officially state your intention to leave (triggering article 50).

FYI : 2 years is not a fixed term. It is a maximum default term by which time whatever deal has been struck , or not, the EU can wave goodbye. It can be extended if the European Parliament votes to extend the period the UK has no say. And there is article 283......oh dear. That article covers the negotiating team. It states that the negotating team can have the negotiation period reduced by a vote of the EU Parliament.

Basically 2 years is a default without any EU vote. If the EU votes then it could be whatever period the EU chooses!

Simple solution - tell the EU that we will sign deals with nations outside the EU instead, including for products that are currently primarily supplied by EU countries. They either get around the table quickly or they don't. Their loss.

All that is important now is the future and it does NOT include EU membership.

originally posted by: yorkshirelad

originally posted by: slider1982
As a nation we should now stack the shelves and get the shop window ready, however in true EU fashion there is some obscure law under article number blah blah blah section 5 that states we cannot sign any trade deals until after we are "officially" out of this this crap, oh well the day we are away from this cluster f#ck get the pens out and start writing..
RA

Typical moronic statement from a Brexiter. Of course you have to officially leave before you can re-negotiate it would pointless otherwise. You could just turn around and say "can't get a deal we want so we aren't going to leave". Leaving is not about the incredibly narrow minded self centred only the UK matters mindset. It is about ensuring all the other countries still in the Union don't get shafted. Hence the 2 year negotiation AFTER you officially state your intention to leave (triggering article 50).

FYI : 2 years is not a fixed term. It is a maximum default term by which time whatever deal has been struck , or not, the EU can wave goodbye. It can be extended if the European Parliament votes to extend the period the UK has no say. And there is article 283......oh dear. That article covers the negotiating team. It states that the negotiating team can have the negotiation period reduced by a vote of the EU Parliament.

Basically 2 years is a default without any EU vote. If the EU votes then it could be whatever period the EU chooses!

I assume your reference to moronic statements is in no way a veiled inference.

We are leaving the EU and in my view the process and negotiations will be much easier than you think. The EU now wants us out of their hair (they weren't happy with the UK's position in the EU anyway) and it sorted ASAP so they can get on with their failing project and deluded vision of democracy!

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: yorkshirelad

originally posted by: slider1982
As a nation we should now stack the shelves and get the shop window ready, however in true EU fashion there is some obscure law under article number blah blah blah section 5 that states we cannot sign any trade deals until after we are "officially" out of this this crap, oh well the day we are away from this cluster f#ck get the pens out and start writing..
RA

Typical moronic statement from a Brexiter. Of course you have to officially leave before you can re-negotiate it would pointless otherwise. You could just turn around and say "can't get a deal we want so we aren't going to leave". Leaving is not about the incredibly narrow minded self centred only the UK matters mindset. It is about ensuring all the other countries still in the Union don't get shafted. Hence the 2 year negotiation AFTER you officially state your intention to leave (triggering article 50).

FYI : 2 years is not a fixed term. It is a maximum default term by which time whatever deal has been struck , or not, the EU can wave goodbye. It can be extended if the European Parliament votes to extend the period the UK has no say. And there is article 283......oh dear. That article covers the negotiating team. It states that the negotating team can have the negotiation period reduced by a vote of the EU Parliament.

Basically 2 years is a default without any EU vote. If the EU votes then it could be whatever period the EU chooses!

Simple solution - tell the EU that we will sign deals with nations outside the EU instead, including for products that are currently primarily supplied by EU countries. They either get around the table quickly or they don't. Their loss.

All that is important now is the future and it does NOT include EU membership.

Concur!! F..k the EU. Bunch of hitlers

originally posted by: Flavian
Even Farage was saying this a month before the referendum took place. As soon as he got the result he wanted, he completely abandoned this position which is actually a pretty disgraceful action. When other politicians do that, they get called on it and we are all disgusted by their hypocracy - why should Farage get special treatment?

To be fair and I am sure you would want to be ... Farage was never in the

'official' Brexit team. And the only one that was actually voting himself out

of a job!

Like i said above, this is all hyperbole and hypotheticals as the result is what it is. But the fact these debates are still occuring is a perfect demonstration of how badly the referendum was handled by both sides. If clear rules had been in place from the beginning, there would be no more debate (although it could be argued that was deliberate).

Lets face it the vast majority of them were more for advancing their career

prospects, rather than what was best for the country. We have all seen the

tapes of David Cameron for leaving some years before he headed the 'stay'

campaign, and Boris Johnson for staying before heading the 'leave' campaign.

Apple travesty is a reminder why Britain must leave the lawless EU

www.msn.com...


Lawless, undemocratic and unworkable failed model!

Interesting article on the pension pot deficits with reference to the EU referendum and the way that pension funds are valued. And the fact that recent economic strategies have impacted pension funds. Not BREXIT fault. Problem has been growing for years.

Defined benefit pension fund deficit grows by £100bn in a month

www.msn.com...

originally posted by: Flavian
a reply to: teapot


Gus O'Donnell was asked a very specific question about does he see any circumstances in which Britain may not leave the EU and he answered. In typical journo fashon, that part has been left out to instead go with the headline"Brexit is not inevitable".

You make a good point. And as ever, the published narrative is in the public domain, any intended meaning lost.

Blair now sticking is nose in. Eurofile and elite puppet.


Britain could stay in EU if public opinion shifts, says Tony Blair

www.msn.com...


My reply is no they cant, wont and don't want to!!! Listen to TM who is clearly a secret BREXITEER

originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite
Blair now sticking is nose in. Eurofile and elite puppet.

Britain could stay in EU if public opinion shifts, says Tony Blair

www.msn.com...

My reply is no they cant, wont and don't want to!!! Listen to TM who is clearly a secret BREXITEER

Does anyone even listen to Tony pariah Blair anymore

originally posted by: eletheia

originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite
Blair now sticking is nose in. Eurofile and elite puppet.

Britain could stay in EU if public opinion shifts, says Tony Blair

www.msn.com...

My reply is no they cant, wont and don't want to!!! Listen to TM who is clearly a secret BREXITEER

Does anyone even listen to Tony pariah Blair anymore

Actually you may be right! It may help the BREXIT process.

a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite

Nicola Sturgeon yet another patronising politician like Tony Blair doesn't give the

people credit for any intelligence.

I thought the following was worth leaving in the thread .... From an article I read

today.

SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon has demanded that the UK stays in the
EU single market at any cost as she put her party on a war footing for a
new push for independence.

Her call came despite the Scottish First Minister being condemned for not getting on
with her 'day job,' with figures last week showing that Scotland under SNP control is
running at a worse budget deficit than Greece!!

How rich a country did Nicola Sturgeon say that Scotland

was leading up to the Scottish independence referendum??

Instead M/s Sturgeon has launched a 'new conversation' on Scottish independence,
with the aim of targeting up to two million voters before the end of November.

The Scottish conservative leader Ruth Davidson said "It is unjustified and unnecessary
Nicola Sturgeon has shown today that she is prepared to ignore the priorities of the
people of Scotland in pursuit of her own narrow nationalist agenda."

originally posted by: eletheia
a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite

Nicola Sturgeon yet another patronising politician like Tony Blair doesn't give the

people credit for any intelligence.

I thought the following was worth leaving in the thread .... From an article I read

today.

SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon has demanded that the UK stays in the
EU single market at any cost as she put her party on a war footing for a
new push for independence.

Her call came despite the Scottish First Minister being condemned for not getting on
with her 'day job,' with figures last week showing that Scotland under SNP control is
running at a worse budget deficit than Greece!!

How rich a country did Nicola Sturgeon say that Scotland

was leading up to the Scottish independence referendum??

Instead M/s Sturgeon has launched a 'new conversation' on Scottish independence,
with the aim of targeting up to two million voters before the end of November.

The Scottish conservative leader Ruth Davidson said "It is unjustified and unnecessary
Nicola Sturgeon has shown today that she is prepared to ignore the priorities of the
people of Scotland in pursuit of her own narrow nationalist agenda."

Rotty has done a great deal more harm to UK politics and ordinary people than any other politician in recent times. She claims to want the best for Scotland but really wants the best for her!

Clacton-on-Sea: Leave voters left frustrated as Article 50 triggering is postponed

www.msn.com...

And then the protests begin................