Nuclear Expert in Japan: Plutonium “is everywhere… it is everywhere”

a reply to: Profusion

Can't help worrying for the Japanese people over this horror. I can't think how much it must worry many of them as they get on with their lives.

I doubt we will be told by various governments the truth about any of this and will have to rely on reports such as the one above for information about it.

In fairness to the nuclear industry this was not due to some human error but an act of nature which, with hindsight one hopes new facilities will incorporate this factor where they can when constructing more reactors.

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Nary a peep. Just daily stories about the massive fish die off and sofas that wash ashore...

a reply to: PhantomOrion

California ignores much of anything from Fukishima.

a reply to: NewzNose Sorry , I agree but not with the "wannabe" surfers, sure there are those everywhere but California turns out pro surfers like crazy, so I will half disagree.

a reply to: pl3bscheese

I think our nephews as someting to say about your comment... own it, you say... we are guests in this world, not owners...

originally posted by: NewzNose
a reply to: Lurker1

No one on the West Coast drinks tap water or dips a toe in the Ocean. Only vacationing wannabe surfers do.

We all have O2 machines for respiratory cleansing.

Righhhhhtt. So you mean all of my surfer friends FROM CA don't surf anymore? I'm from CA by the way originally.

but isn`t the real danger from radiation not the amount that you are exposed to but the length of time that you are exposed to it? so being constantly exposed to small amounts over many years could be very dangerous?

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: NewzNose
a reply to: Lurker1

No one on the West Coast drinks tap water or dips a toe in the Ocean. Only vacationing wannabe surfers do.

We all have O2 machines for respiratory cleansing.

Righhhhhtt. So you mean all of my surfer friends FROM CA don't surf anymore? I'm from CA by the way originally.

Anyone who gets in that water is foolish. Cesium is pouring into the ocean off Japan. It has been coming across the Pacific since 2011.

Well,if it turns out that all the worry is justified..there is always the Southern Hemisphere. South Africa propably won't welcome you if you're white,the black population here is xenophobic enough re fellow black immigrants from neighbouring countries. If you bribe the government officials enough,i suppose they'd let you in,though,in Africa a lil bit of a bribe goes a long long way.

There's still Namibia,Botswana.Malawi,etc,beautiful countries with reasonable levels of government efficiency and feasibility. If we ever Have to leave South Africa for any reason,we shall go to Namibia.We shall never leave Africa though. Just a thought to bear in mind in case anything ever really goes South in the North.

a reply to: Profusion

To all the people who are asserting its no worry because of minute amounts, I suggest you familiarize yourself with biomultiplication and bioconcentration. Its the phenomena whereby toxins become more concentrated as they move up the food chain. Its why you get relatively low readings on plankton but its stronger in apex predators like tuna. You can start out with a relatively low background level, but it concentrates in fish, birds and mammals, then us.

One other thing. I am concerned about Fukushima but also concerned about pollution coming from rivers in China into the Pacific. Since they have little or no environmental regulation, God only knows what's pouring in to the ocean there every day. Some of the die offs we are seeing could also be attributable to toxins from industrial pollution in China as well.

originally posted by: openminded2011
a reply to: Profusion

To all the people who are asserting its no worry because of minute amounts, I suggest you familiarize yourself with biomultiplication and bioconcentration. Its the phenomena whereby toxins become more concentrated as they move up the food chain. Its why you get relatively low readings on plankton but its stronger in apex predators like tuna. You can start out with a relatively low background level, but it concentrates in fish, birds and mammals, then us.

One other thing. I am concerned about Fukushima but also concerned about pollution coming from rivers in China into the Pacific. Since they have little or no environmental regulation, God only knows what's pouring in to the ocean there every day. Some of the die offs we are seeing could also be attributable to toxins from industrial pollution in China as well.

An important point, but not all substances bio-accumulate. Many heavy metals do like mercury, as well as things like DDT. That's one reason among many DDT was basically outlawed, despite it's amazing efficacy for it's original purpose.

originally posted by: Profusion

I'm sorry, what? This "proves my values"? Are you being serious and do you have the slightest bit of reasoning in your statements at all?

You're not thinking remotely logical, and so far from understanding the topic it's pathetic.

I've already "proven" that you're out of your mind with these fear-mongering threads countless times.

You don't even know what you don't know, that's painfully obvious from trying to reason with you over what, the last year now on this?

That's why I stopped even trying to parse through all of your erroneous connections. Every attempt to set you right brings a defensive reaction that I'm somehow off topic, and not addressing your issue.

That's because you don't know what you don't know. Seriously, that's all it is.

It's just a shame that there are enough people on this site stuck in the same situation.

a reply to: OneGoal

Sure, I'm okay talking about the issue rationally.

I'm not okay with someone going out of there way to post sensational titles promoting ignorance on the topic.

While people are getting stuck on a nuclear holocaust that's not happening, greater minds are out there solving the energy crisis and developing greener technologies.

Guess what's required of you and I? Nothing.

We just continue on.

originally posted by: NewzNose
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

I live and breathe the West Coast air. What has washed up on our shores is hard to ignore.

are you referring to the shoes with severed feet?

NW Severed Feet/Shoes

originally posted by: Lurker1
Anyone who gets in that water is foolish. Cesium is pouring into the ocean off Japan. It has been coming across the Pacific since 2011.

People who make comments like this are simply misinformed. I wouldn't want to go swimming in the ocean right next to the Fukushima disaster site, however the west coast of the US is a different story where I haven't seen any measurements that concern me that much to suggest I shouldn't swim there. This thread has some of the best science in the entire Japan forum but it got almost zero attention because the OP wasn't ranting about doom porn. However science and scientific measurements do matter, which are what's discussed and they aren't trying to whitewash anything, they are reporting facts.

originally posted by: Tardacus
but isn`t the real danger from radiation not the amount that you are exposed to but the length of time that you are exposed to it? so being constantly exposed to small amounts over many years could be very dangerous?

If that was true we'd all be dead. Humans and their ancestors have been exposed to small amounts of radiation for millions of years. I think we are biologically adapted to that, at least if it's from natural sources. It's called "background" radiation and a reasonable thing to do when considering exposure to small amounts of radiation is to look at how much above background it is. The naturally occuring background is higher in some places than others.

a reply to: Arbitrageur


People see the word radiation and they run screaming.

a reply to: Medicator

Pro surfer who soon will lose their love of iradiated ocean water.

a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

I bet you are. Tell me, where might Pirates Cove in Ca be?

a reply to: seattlerat

No. I refer to the furniture, barge, clothing, etc. No footed shoe has made my news yet.

originally posted by: NewzNose
a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

I bet you are. Tell me, where might Pirates Cove in Ca be?

Wow, logical fallacy after fallacy.....

I grew up on the SF peninsula.. How about tell me where the Garden of Eden is in Santa Cruz..