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originally posted by: Medicator
The only candidate running now that would actually tell us is Trump.
Fact is there are a lot of nuts in the world - unstable people with mental problems - alien disclosure may not affect some but others would become more disorientated and confused - their minds cannot even handle being Human and the real existence of aliens would throw many over the edge that they are hanging on to.
originally posted by: AlienView
originally posted by: MrConspiracy
I wonder why everyone thinks the government can control extra-terrestrial activity. If we want to go really 'out there' then we can say they have a deal with the govt. Maybe then it would make sense.
Other than that, if they wanted their presence known they wouldn't be held back by those who claim false power over this planet.
That is an old conspiracy that says certain elements inside the governments of the so called 'New World Order' have been working with ET for a long time - But all evidence of this is anecdotal and circumstantial.
Do you really want to know the truth? Or are you better off ignorant?
But the motto of ATS is 'Deny Ignorance' so I suppose we'll keep searching for the trurh.
a reply to: DJW001
Yes, people have seen things they could not identify. That doesn't mean they were alien spacecraft.
What if the aliens came and said that none of the "contactees" or "channels" had ever been in contact with anything but their own imagination? What do you think would happen?
originally posted by: mysterioustranger
a reply to: AlienView
Check out ATS thread here:
E.T.s. Turn out the lights. They may not be coming...
Will never happen. Doesnt have to. We're too stupid and havent any clue even what or who to look for...
Astrophysicist Neil DeGrasse Tyson has suggested that we may already be in a post alien contact era.
While SETI focuses its efforts on finding evidence of extraterrestrial intelligence out in space, there are some who believe that aliens may have already been visiting us for some time.
In a recent interview with MSNBC, astrophysicist and Cosmos presenter Neil DeGrasse Tyson has put forward a third possibility, one that most of us aren't going to like. The concept centers around the fact that it is only by our own definition that we have determined what constitutes "intelligent" life in the universe.
"My great fear is that we've in fact been visited by intelligent aliens, but they chose not to make contact, on the conclusion that there's no sign of intelligent life on Earth," he said.
It has long been speculated that our understanding of the universe may be severely limited by our perceptual capabilities. Perhaps to a sufficiently intelligent alien species a human being appears no more intelligent than an insect - a primitive life form barely capable of comprehension.
"The audacity of us to even claim we can define intelligence," said Tyson."
THE PHILOSOPHY OF ALIENS
Assuming you believe in the existence of other beings in the cosmos [aliens], and believe they have been covertly interacting with humans for quite some time now [maybe a long, long time] you might wonder why will they not make themselves known overtly - announce their presence to the world? I want you to consider the consequences of this action. Do humans trust each other on a global scale? NO, they do not and their bloody history of war and destruction is a matter of record. Now consider what would happen if one day an alien representative appears at the UN and says welcome. Now even if this alien gave a long speech on how they mean us no harm and are here to benefit Man, do you think that most people will believe it? - Probably not, and many problems will develop; Whereas many scientists and intellectuals will welcome their new alien friends, a good part of the population will not - paranoia is already rampant on the planet Earth - think what the appearance of a highly advanced superior race will cause. The problem is not currently Surmountable and the aliens for now will continue to observe, accumulate data, and occasionally may make isolated contact with certain select individuals. Yes, in this case of humans of the Planet Earth, the non-interference rule as depicted in the sci-fi epic Star Trek must be enforced. If Man were to evolve to a higher state showing signs of an advancing civilization, Aliens might then change their view of humanity and agree that direct contact is warranted.
originally posted by: nOraKat
Disclosure has already happened.
Maybe not in the US. Look at other countries like Mexico and others.
Mexican DoD Acknowledges
UFOs In Mexico
Have not gone through all the links but found this:
List of countries that disclosed Alien/UFO documents
Related ATS post: List of Countries who have Disclosed/are Disclosing UFO Files
originally posted by: Maverick7
There won't be 'disclosure' because there is nothing 'non-terrestrial' or 'extra-terrestrial' to disclose. There are several 'tells' that ET is not present in our solar system.
Two things that people have to realize is:
1. ET would not visit here 'in person' full-size. They're use nano-technology, or small exploratory craft, just like we do on Mars.
2. They would not 'HIDE'. That's a necessary ingredient in all the sci-fi works because it adds suspense. Did we hide on Mars? Nope. Have we cloaked any of our craft? Nope. It adds unnecessary expense to exploration.
Is there a very, very small chance that there is a humanoid-like non-terrestrial presence that is sentient and that can get off planet and that can spend the money, and has the resources (surface metals and elements) to voyage outside of their low orbit and FIND us and COME here (risking contamination)? Perhaps. But now you have to assume it can time synch with us. This is VERY difficult, to be at the right point in all of the above AND meet here just when we are intelligent enough to detect them.
IF there was any alien presence in the Solar System we'd have SEEN them on the Moon, on Mars, on Europa. They would not be hiding. There is no obvious presence there.
Finally, it would be utter folly to go about 'voyaging' if you hadn't duplicated your civilization on planets near you (but far enough away to avoid the death of their sun, and GRBs). If there are non-terrestrials with space-faring ability believe me they are way too busy duplicating to avoid extinction events to go out there in a vast galaxy looking for us.
Once aliens evolve (if there are any) to the point where they become 5th dimensional beings, and can "look down" as we do to a comic book page and SEE all the sentient civilizations, they'll note that they've ALL died out (or are still in the single-cell organism stage) or can't get off planet and they will have NO INTEREST in them, just like we don't have the interest to 'visit' a comic book page with two-dimensional pictures.
GRBs = gamma ray bursts.