Is Hilary the Lesser Evil in 2016?

originally posted by: MountainLaurel
Reading this OP really makes me sad...sigh......How could a candidate, Bernie Sander's, being elected by the people, against all odds not be positive for America ? Like Ron Paul, he is technically a "third" party candidate running as a Democrat for practical reasons of getting elected. It's the MESSAGE and VISION that really matter in this election....No More Corporate owned Government !

Bernie is the WORST of the choices because he wants a bigger Government that has more control over us. I don't think he is a bad guy, but every idea he has is Authoritarian and that is in direct opposition to any Libertarian which is me.

I don't want to vote for Hilary I just don't see anyone that is not going to screw us over. The best thing we could do is elect NO ONE and leave the office vacant. That way we can have a dead locked Supreme Court and no President and maybe the Feds would implode and go bother someone else.

I would literally disband the Federal Government and return all lawmaking and decision making to the state and local level. For me there is no way to 'win' this election.

originally posted by: greencmp

originally posted by: UnBreakable

originally posted by: greencmp

originally posted by: EmmanuelGoldstein

originally posted by: greencmp
a reply to: Metallicus

I'm not convinced we know how evil 2016 will be.

Even before Scalia died, I had considered this a single issue election regarding supreme court appointments.

While I wasn't much of a Trump proponent, the fact that his sister is a federal judge of the liberal variety is disturbing.

Like him or not, it looks like Cruz is the only option, maybe Rubio if necessary.

But Cruz is one of the main guys running to take liberties away from the people!

You really want someone to drag "god" into this mess?

No, he's the only constitutional candidate. He's not a theocrat.

I can't say for sure if he is honest and trustworthy and there are lots of stories to check out still.

So far, each hit piece has turned out to be incorrect or misleading.

Cruz not a theocrat? Glenn Beck and Cruz's father think Cruz is fulfilling a divine mission. Cruz just reminds me of a tv evangelist who claims he is holier than thou on one hand while being truly sleazy on the other.

For one thing, I have never heard him say that he wants to create new laws based on religion.

Hmmm. Sounds like he wants to overturn laws based on religion.

"Appearing on a Catholic talk show on EWTN, 2016 GOP presidential contender Ted Cruz said abortion could be “outlawed” in the U.S. by using legislation to do an end-around the Supreme Court’s decision in Roe v. Wade".
www.rawstory.com...

a reply to: Indigent

Is that the day when we all learn to love Big Brother?

originally posted by: UnBreakable

originally posted by: greencmp

originally posted by: UnBreakable

originally posted by: greencmp

originally posted by: EmmanuelGoldstein

originally posted by: greencmp
a reply to: Metallicus

I'm not convinced we know how evil 2016 will be.

Even before Scalia died, I had considered this a single issue election regarding supreme court appointments.

While I wasn't much of a Trump proponent, the fact that his sister is a federal judge of the liberal variety is disturbing.

Like him or not, it looks like Cruz is the only option, maybe Rubio if necessary.

But Cruz is one of the main guys running to take liberties away from the people!

You really want someone to drag "god" into this mess?

No, he's the only constitutional candidate. He's not a theocrat.

I can't say for sure if he is honest and trustworthy and there are lots of stories to check out still.

So far, each hit piece has turned out to be incorrect or misleading.

Cruz not a theocrat? Glenn Beck and Cruz's father think Cruz is fulfilling a divine mission. Cruz just reminds me of a tv evangelist who claims he is holier than thou on one hand while being truly sleazy on the other.

For one thing, I have never heard him say that he wants to create new laws based on religion.

Hmmm. Sounds like he wants to overturn laws based on religion.

"Appearing on a Catholic talk show on EWTN, 2016 GOP presidential contender Ted Cruz said abortion could be “outlawed” in the U.S. by using legislation to do an end-around the Supreme Court’s decision in Roe v. Wade".
www.rawstory.com...

Roe v. Wade was a bad decision. As a consequence of what the court decided, abortion rights groups took the bit and ran with it.

As a result, America is far more radical about it than even Europe. It's actually one thing where they cannot point to Europe and scream we should be more like them because if they did, we'd actually have to restrict abortion access.

It should have been a state by state decision and even SCOTUS justices and abortion rights fanatics acknowledge that all Roe did was set us up for all these years of fighting instead of reconciling people to abortion and its legality. I am guessing that marriage law will now be much the same.

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: UnBreakable

originally posted by: greencmp

originally posted by: UnBreakable

originally posted by: greencmp

originally posted by: EmmanuelGoldstein

originally posted by: greencmp
a reply to: Metallicus

I'm not convinced we know how evil 2016 will be.

Even before Scalia died, I had considered this a single issue election regarding supreme court appointments.

While I wasn't much of a Trump proponent, the fact that his sister is a federal judge of the liberal variety is disturbing.

Like him or not, it looks like Cruz is the only option, maybe Rubio if necessary.

But Cruz is one of the main guys running to take liberties away from the people!

You really want someone to drag "god" into this mess?

No, he's the only constitutional candidate. He's not a theocrat.

I can't say for sure if he is honest and trustworthy and there are lots of stories to check out still.

So far, each hit piece has turned out to be incorrect or misleading.

Cruz not a theocrat? Glenn Beck and Cruz's father think Cruz is fulfilling a divine mission. Cruz just reminds me of a tv evangelist who claims he is holier than thou on one hand while being truly sleazy on the other.

For one thing, I have never heard him say that he wants to create new laws based on religion.

Hmmm. Sounds like he wants to overturn laws based on religion.

"Appearing on a Catholic talk show on EWTN, 2016 GOP presidential contender Ted Cruz said abortion could be “outlawed” in the U.S. by using legislation to do an end-around the Supreme Court’s decision in Roe v. Wade".
www.rawstory.com...

Roe v. Wade was a bad decision. As a consequence of what the court decided, abortion rights groups took the bit and ran with it.

As a result, America is far more radical about it than even Europe. It's actually one thing where they cannot point to Europe and scream we should be more like them because if they did, we'd actually have to restrict abortion access.

It should have been a state by state decision and even SCOTUS justices and abortion rights fanatics acknowledge that all Roe did was set us up for all these years of fighting instead of reconciling people to abortion and its legality. I am guessing that marriage law will now be much the same.

I'm not saying it is a good law, but it is the law of the land. I was just replying to a Cruz not making laws based on religion. To me he is as he is trying to pander to the evangelicals.

a reply to: UnBreakable

Pandering is what politicians do.

Cruz is running the same kind of techno-campaign that Obama did, and one of the blocks of non-voters who could be persuaded to vote is evangelicals.

His tactics aren't so different from Trump except both are pandering to slightly different blocks of the disenfranchised as their main base for the primary. Trump is looking for less educated, blue collar types and Cruz the evangelicals. Both are groups typically ignored but who have large numbers of folks who naturally resonated with a more right-leaning message.

You could say that Bernie is pandering to the young, dumb pot smoking college students and recent grads who don't understand economics, and you'd be right there, too. And his proposals are mainly tailored to them.

a reply to: Metallicus

Does Gary Johnson have a mustache?
If so,I might have to vote for him as well...
Squeeeeeellllll like a teenage girl.

Their all bad, but what is our worse problem in the US?

Is it that our government is too big and obtrusive? Or is it crooked politicians, lobbyists and corporations?

Even though I want a smaller government, I feel it's impossible to get there without dealing with the politicians, lobbyists and corporations first. I think those three are the cause of big government and not any social programs.

You can say that ObamaCare made government bigger, or you could look at Iraq wars, patriot act, Fema, homeland security and TSA and think perhaps that's a bigger problem?

Based on that analysis, I think Sanders is the lesser of any evil, because he'll go after the root problems. Without that, any attempt to reduce the size of government will only be a temporary fix.

originally posted by: Metallicus
So, is Hilary the LEAST destructive option?

What do you think, ATS?

Unfortunately, it does look that way. But it would definitely depend on who she picks as her VP. I mean (not that this is likely) but she could conceivably choose Michelle Obama (or even Sanders) for her running mate. That would be about as bad as anything else I can imagine. And just remember. Hillary was Obama's opponent last time around and she still ended up in his cabinet. Don't rule anything out.

At any rate, it is pretty clear that we're being manipulated (as usual). It will end up exactly the way they want it to end up one way or another. There is no lesser evil in an American election. At least not intentionally.

So we only really have one option. We have to decide who is going to be hated by most people. If the person who ends up winning is hated by most people, TPTB are going to have to work much harder at getting the public to go along with them on controversial issues. Think back to GWB. He got away with a lot of BS BUT he was very unpopular and people didn't just ignore it when he was doing bad things.

I think if Hillary wins, the majority of Democrat voters will just accept it and move on. They'll cling to their loyalty to the party and Hillary will be the leader of the party as far as they're concerned. It won't matter if they don't exactly like her as a person. They'll still support everything she does.

And no. Obama has already installed two radical left wingers on the court. It looks like he's gonna get a 3rd. If Hillary (Or any Democrat) is elected, the court will go so far left it will be unbelievable.

a reply to: Metallicus

There is no lesser evil, there is only evil. Anyone running for the nomination of one of the two parties is absolutely evil!

The two parties serve the same evil master.

a reply to: Metallicus

I had not intended to log in until I happened onto this post.

Personally, my opinion is that there are no participating candidates left in either the Democratic or Republican field worth voting for and rather than holding your nose and voting for the least damaging candidate, considering that one vote among so many will not make even the slightest difference one way or the other, why compromise your principles? I say contribute to a cause deemed lost and vote your convictions. In the end it doesn't really mater one way or the other.

As for the worst candidate, I vote Hilldog and this video is compelling a revelation to prove this attitude.

Hope it posts correctly.







I can't get it posted correctly. Help me mods.

Hillary Clinton: A Career Criminal

www.youtube.com...

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: Metallicus

There is no lesser evil, there is only evil. Anyone running for the nomination of one of the two parties is absolutely evil!

The two parties serve the same evil master.

That's almost right. But you missed something. Parties don't even matter. The whole idea is hopeless. The people who want power the most will always get it sooner or later. You can call them anything you want. You can call them independent. It doesn't matter. They'll still be power hungry control freaks. Nobody else wants the job. Take a random person off the street and give him/her the most powerful office in the world for a year and you'll have a power hungry control freak in a couple of weeks. If not immediately.

Hillary is the lesser of two evils, though is certainly evil herself.

All the GOP except Trump and maybe Kasich are horrible.

Bernie can't win and should quit before he does more harm that good.

If Bernie beats Hillary and gets creamed in the main election he will go down as the biggest dog in History

And the democrats the stupidest electors in history to reject the practical choice for a pipe dream candidate

a reply to: Metallicus

I have been having a really hard time finding ANYONE to vote for this cycle. So, as a Libertarian I can either 'throw my vote away' on Gary Johnson or another third party candidate or bite the bullet and vote for the 'lesser evil'.

I'm with you on this. Out of the crap that will likely get nominated I concluded that Bernie would be the better option of the bozos: Hillary,Trump,Rubio,Cruz ,Bernie.

I created this thread on why Why as libertarian I would consider voting for Bernie Sanders


Basically it boils down to this:
Hillary,Rubio,Cruz : more of the same and more benefits for the Oligarch .

Trump: Can be 50/50 odds on total collapse or some positive benefits, but tend to believe his Ego could go full retard and turn into a tyrant and ignoring congress and the people .

He also miserably failed the immigration political litmus test

Sanders: Sanders its about LONG term strategy to hopefully open the door for a third party like the libertarian party down the road with the hand we have been dealt.

As long as corruption is not addressed and brought to the forefront ,no political ideology or third party well ever get a chance to be heard.

Bernie campaign is primarly about corruption and will likely have a lameduck congress. So he MIGHT be the more worthwhile candidate from the crap pool we have.

We cant fix corruption until someone brings it to the forefront and Bernie is the only that has made it a main focus on his campaign.

You all have to keep in mind that Hillary have been doing a job for someone. That means she is not really the one who have been calling the shots. She is the one who is being payed to take the blame for her boss.

SHe has proven that she can be counted on form the top's perspective to do what she have been instructed to do. She will become the Next president if we like it or not. Because, whats in the best Inrerest Of the United States Of America is bigger than any of us.

a reply to: EmmanuelGoldstein

Better a person of faith than Hillary or a beatnik.
I prefer Carson but HE IS so level headed it doesn't sensationaiize well.

originally posted by: BrianFlanders

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: Metallicus

There is no lesser evil, there is only evil. Anyone running for the nomination of one of the two parties is absolutely evil!

The two parties serve the same evil master.

That's almost right. But you missed something. Parties don't even matter. The whole idea is hopeless. The people who want power the most will always get it sooner or later. You can call them anything you want. You can call them independent. It doesn't matter. They'll still be power hungry control freaks. Nobody else wants the job. Take a random person off the street and give him/her the most powerful office in the world for a year and you'll have a power hungry control freak in a couple of weeks. If not immediately.

Well, yeah. I could have gone on and on.

If it came down to a choice between Trump and Hillary? I am actually considering Trump. Mainly because I think in reality many of his current supporters will be disappointed when he a really does get elected. Seriously, he says what he says because 'it works!' in reality of position as a President, and having to seriously deal with REAL issues...he will not be as pompous and will realize that he is not a king in our government. Our forefathers did well in creating multiple branches of government to offset single authority.

Hillary...my god, no! This is someone has proven time and time again that she will do anything if it is for HER own benefit. She is more narcissistic than Trump!

As far as the rest of the candidates...I worry the current system doesn't give them a chance in the final election. I figure Trump will be Independent 3rd party ticket come November. Bernie will not run as an independent. The only moderate conservative who has been the adult on GoP side has been Kasich, but he has no media attention and is too hidden to rise up and win.

a reply to: CynConcepts

SO they'll toss Bush at us ...again?
I want an outsider this time someone who is INTELLIGENT, so I want Carson.

You may want him, but if he doesn't win SC, I believe he won't be able to afford to continue his campaign. That is the system at play. A game that we have seen every election before. Which lesser evil will you be supporting in November? We will only have 2or 3 candidate choices then!