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TextHow does history support Christianity as Bible based when it is so hostile to almost every aspect of Torah?
originally posted by: thegimprider
a reply to: chr0naut
Try reading "The Kingdom of God is Within You" by Tolstoy
This is the first major assault on Church/Government propaganda that was not suppressed. Tolstoy was excommunicated and that backfired because he was Russia's greatest author and from a wealthy family.
Michael Servitus was burned at the stake by John Calvin for proving the trinity a false doctrine, he also established cardio vascular system in science yet this discovery was not proved until 150 years later because all of his own books were burned.
Try reading your Bible and try reading a little church history before diving into theological debates.
Google each of my claims if you have any interest other than personal attack. I am not thin skinned.
originally posted by: thegimprider
How does history support Christianity as Bible based when it is so hostile to almost every aspect of Torah? Paul rejected Torah and established a religion based on faith claiming Jesus died to forgive sins. But Jesus died on Pesach, or pass over, not Yom Kippur, day of atonement. That the blood of Jesus forgives sin is not supported by Hebrew Bible as is the virgin birth. A son of god born of a virgin was foundational in almost every pagan religion in the Roman Empire and born on Dec 25 so this was an easy sell. Just get rid of all that pesky law Moses dreamed up while hanging out on some mountain. Where does Paul get the authority to do all this? You won't find it in scripture anywhere but don't worry, Paul declares "all scripture is God breathed" and the New testament says Paul's letters are scripture. When there is conflict the art of denial knows no boundary because the Bible is the "word of God" the Bible is "Infallible" the Bible is "Holy". Even though nobody can point out the verses that make this TRUTH clear to me. The Church has spent the last 2000 years destroying every Hebrew scroll they could find and killing or suppressing any voices that spoke out against them. What Bible verse allowed the murder on millions of America's natives so Europeans could over take their property? What Bible verse allowed negros bought at African slave markets to be abused in the new world violating Moses laws of the human rights all poor and slaves owned under the God of Israel. Paul hated Moses and like Korah I recommend all move away from his tents. Like Pharaoh who made Joseph into a false deity his brothers could no longer recognize, Paul makes rabbi Jesus into a god that no Jew could ever follow without ignoring Torah. Moses spoke of messiah as "a prophet like me" a human who bled, wept and died just like any other human.
The God of Israel has no limits, no boundaries, is not aided by human servants. Rabbi Jesus spoke a gospel of restoration, not a new religion.
originally posted by: thegimprider
a reply to: chr0naut
And still not a single response to Duet 32..it it really that scary?
Josiah read the Torah and tore his robes! Yes he was scared.
originally posted by: thegimprider
a reply to: chr0naut
If I tell you the Pacific Ocean does not exist it will not produce fear or anger response. I live in Ft Bragg California less than one mile from said ocean yet I retain the right to swear it does not exist.
If I tell you the house you have been building for years is on top of a fault that will give way soon, fear and anger is often first response. Delusion is when I show you evidence and you explain it all away.
originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
originally posted by: thegimprider
How does history support Christianity as Bible based when it is so hostile to almost every aspect of Torah? Paul rejected Torah and established a religion based on faith claiming Jesus died to forgive sins. But Jesus died on Pesach, or pass over, not Yom Kippur, day of atonement. That the blood of Jesus forgives sin is not supported by Hebrew Bible as is the virgin birth. A son of god born of a virgin was foundational in almost every pagan religion in the Roman Empire and born on Dec 25 so this was an easy sell. Just get rid of all that pesky law Moses dreamed up while hanging out on some mountain. Where does Paul get the authority to do all this? You won't find it in scripture anywhere but don't worry, Paul declares "all scripture is God breathed" and the New testament says Paul's letters are scripture. When there is conflict the art of denial knows no boundary because the Bible is the "word of God" the Bible is "Infallible" the Bible is "Holy". Even though nobody can point out the verses that make this TRUTH clear to me. The Church has spent the last 2000 years destroying every Hebrew scroll they could find and killing or suppressing any voices that spoke out against them. What Bible verse allowed the murder on millions of America's natives so Europeans could over take their property? What Bible verse allowed negros bought at African slave markets to be abused in the new world violating Moses laws of the human rights all poor and slaves owned under the God of Israel. Paul hated Moses and like Korah I recommend all move away from his tents. Like Pharaoh who made Joseph into a false deity his brothers could no longer recognize, Paul makes rabbi Jesus into a god that no Jew could ever follow without ignoring Torah. Moses spoke of messiah as "a prophet like me" a human who bled, wept and died just like any other human.
The God of Israel has no limits, no boundaries, is not aided by human servants. Rabbi Jesus spoke a gospel of restoration, not a new religion.
I couldn't have said it any better or clearer meself. That which you wrote there, though a massive wall of text, is the plain and simple truth of the matter. Saulus destroyed, or rather-- sabotaged everything Jesus and his Nazarene movement stood for, which was a simple kind of Judaism that would have been seen as liberal, contrary to the school of Hillel and the others who formed all sorts of midrash regulations to add to the burden of Torah.
While I think strict Torah observance is rather silly these days, I find it far more sensible than let's say strict Catholicism or whatever those Southern Baptists are up to. That nonsense makes completely nonsense.
Great OP! S/F
originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
a reply to: thegimprider
I'm not religious meself, but to me it's rather obvious «st. Paul» is the worst thing that could happen and did happen to the Nazarene movement and JC's reform Judaism leading up to or into the Diaspora. Jesus' movement was nearly completely destroyed by Saulus of Tarsus whom they call «st. Paul».
originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: Akragon
Yahweh means Behold the nail, behold the hand
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Jesus is God, you can argue till the moon turns fairy floss but Yahweh and Jesus are one.
In fact the whole Old Testament points to Jesus
Jesus and Paul both taught love, never violence.
Its a lie that some teach their is violence in the New Testament
The text that I have italicized and emboldened in the quote above, in the LXX, the Masoretic and the DSS, all actually say "sons of Israel" (ben Ysrael) and so it identifies that the "sons of God" is a mistranslation in these older versions. The meaning of that verse is therefore: that back at Creation, God already knew the future population of Israel and allocated the lands up among all nations, allowing sufficient for the whole population of Israel. It says nothing about any spiritual being except for God Himself.Text