The One Weird Trait That Predicts Whether You’re a Trump Supporter

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Annee
I find it ironic that the Right keeps claiming the Left wants to control people.

Here's your mirror.

As someone who is firmly in the middle it became readily apparent to me that both sides wish to impose their will on others. They are two sides of the same coin.

I don't see that at all.

What the Left forces - - is Equality - - and that everyone gets a chance.

Totally not the same thing.

originally posted by: CosmicSmack
a reply to: introvert

I like trump, but i am not a person who simply "obeys", in fact I love to challenge authority. I like him because he tells it like it is and many of his policies make sense. If anything he is anti- authority as he challenges many main stream ideals.

I think this is just anti- trump propaganda if anything the left tries to push things then labels you a monster for disagreeing. Example I disagree with climate change (Carbon imperialism) if i tell this to my "liberal" peers at my collage this i am automatically wrong with out even being heard out. They treat me like im worst then a Nazi.

I am do not identify with any political ideology i just support what i think is right based on research and personal beliefs.

Me too, well that is at least 4 folks on this board so far that are against authoritarianism, study debunked, as the trash it is!

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: neo96

If that is what you believe, then perhaps you did not read it properly. It specifically said that the dance has changed, and that those leading it have changed roles in the dance. That is the exact opposite of business as usual.

I find it ironic that the Right keeps claiming the Left wants to control people.

Here's your mirror.

I know right. Banning muslims (temporarily), forcing mexico to build a wall. Sounds pretty authoritarian to me...

When I first got into online politics, way back in 1998 - - I went in as a Republican.

Republicans are in complete denial of their authoritarianism.

By 2009 when MSN Groups shut down, I was in opposition.

Someone on this very website pointed out how they've watched me grow steadily more left the longer I've been here too. I agree with that sentiment. I didn't become left though. The right forced me there with their politics and political rhetoric.

To be honest, I feel that a great many Democrats aren't Democrats because they WANT to be Democrats. They just don't feel any sympathy or love from the Republicans. So that is the only place left for them.

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: introvert

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Funny how the LEFT consistently pushes REGULATION which is pure authoritarianism.

I will admit that the RIGHT is always trying to control peoples morals with legislation, which by the way I don't agree with. But the LEFT is just straight up trying to control every aspect of our lives from cradle to grave.

That should be thier motto, government from cradle to grave.

a reply to: neo96

Let's try a different approach.

Assuming all of what you said is true, how does that address the assertions in the article that Republicans support authoritarian ideals more than the democrat voters?

authoritarians have steadily moved from the Democratic to the Republican Party over time. He hypothesizes that the trend began decades ago, as Democrats embraced civil rights, gay rights, employment protections and other political positions valuing freedom and equality. In my poll results, authoritarianism was not a statistically significant factor in the Democratic primary race, at least not so far, but it does appear to be playing an important role on the Republican side. Indeed, 49 percent of likely Republican primary voters I surveyed score in the top quarter of the authoritarian scale—more than twice as many as Democratic voters.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Annee
I find it ironic that the Right keeps claiming the Left wants to control people.

Here's your mirror.

As someone who is firmly in the middle it became readily apparent to me that both sides wish to impose their will on others. They are two sides of the same coin.

I don't see that at all.

What the Left forces - - is Equality - - and that everyone gets a chance.

Totally not the same thing.

The first settlers in America tried socialism already, it almost killed them. When everyone is forced to be at the same level no one tries to get ahead of the pack. The LEFT is punishing success. Why?

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: introvert

Hey now.

That social security cattle number is a FACT.

Over 75 years of gun control and authoritarian REGULATION is a FACT.

climate changeis a 'fact' says the LEFT that why we need more AUTHORITARIANISM regulation to subjugate the people in to submission.

To where the STATE controls the very land,air, and water.

Too funny.

Funny how the LEFT consistently pushes REGULATION which is pure authoritarianism.

So we have a Pseudoscience conspiracy theorist here?

Science is better than your 'common sense' or religion, at all times. Not sure that is even debatable.

Climate change is real, denying such is simply ignorant.

Just because you can't comprehend what it actually is, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

a reply to: BIGPoJo

That is propaganda and rhetoric.

"Cradle to grave" has been regurgitated over and over since Limbaugh began running his chops on the radio decades ago.

It's nonsense.

a reply to: introvert

Are policies authoritarian?

Is gun control authoritarian?
Was the Patriot Act authoritarian?
Is Obamacare, authoritarian?

a reply to: Sargeras

Thanks glad i'm not alone.

originally posted by: BIGPoJo
History has proven the exact opposite. The Great Wall of China for example.

Really? You need to brush up on your history. The wall was repeatedly overrun during the Song Dynasty by the Jurchens who even captured the entire Song royal family.

The Mongols were also able to ride though the wall as it had fallen into disrepair when Genghis Khan conquered China.

There is a reason people would build motes around castles. You have to have some form of security, the honor system simply doesn't work.

Moats are only effective on small scale efforts. A sieging army does not even have to ford them, the can starve the occupants into surrender.

There are instance after instance of large-scale fixed fortifications proving to be ineffective from the Classical period all the way up to the modern era.

Both the left and the right are authoritarian. They both want to use government force in controlling the lives of others. Right wingers usually wants to use that force on social issues, and left wingers on economic issues.

The following image illustrates this:





Here's an article that goes further into detail. It is a direct reply to the article in the OP:

If You Support Trump, You May Be an Authoritarian (Also: If You Support Clinton, Rubio, Sanders, Cruz …)
He’s hardly alone in wanting to use government force to control others.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Are policies authoritarian?

Depends on the policy.

Is gun control authoritarian?

Depends on the restriction.

Was the Patriot Act authoritarian?
Is Obamacare, authoritarian?

Yes.

a reply to: neo96

Not to mention it's Politico.

I don't think a sampling of 1800 people in a nation of 300 million really gets to the crux of the matter.

I would agree with fear of terrorism as legit solely due to the sheer oblivious response of the present administration and people's knee jerk reaction is to want a forceful deliberate person to take up their mantle.

a reply to: introvert

Assuming all of what you said is true, how does that address the assertions in the article that Republicans support authoritarian ideals more than the democrat voters?

That is NOT even close to being true.

Republicans are trying to control the entire planet ?

That one alone makes the LEFT MORE authoritarian.

Republicans support taxing a minority to pay for every little WISH of the mob ?

That one too makes the LEFT more AUTHORITARIAN.

Democrats have consistent push Authoritarian GUN CONTROL For over 75 YEARS.

That is the EPITOME of Authoritarian.

Now had the Republicans created social security,gun control,and climate change.

Had they created medicare, and medicaid.

Hay they created the FEDERAL RESERVE.

I would agree the right being that way.

The FACTS are they DID NOT.

Which makes the LEFT the most authoritarian group of people in this country.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

I guess you are the winner in this argument then. I guess it would have been better if China would have never built a wall, just pulled down their pants, and give it up to the enemy.

originally posted by: Annee
I don't see that at all.

Of course not. People on either end of the spectrum never see the shortcomings of their own parties authoritarian dictates.

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: neo96

Let's try a different approach.

Assuming all of what you said is true, how does that address the assertions in the article that Republicans support authoritarian ideals more than the democrat voters?

authoritarians have steadily moved from the Democratic to the Republican Party over time. He hypothesizes that the trend began decades ago, as Democrats embraced civil rights, gay rights, employment protections and other political positions valuing freedom and equality. In my poll results, authoritarianism was not a statistically significant factor in the Democratic primary race, at least not so far, but it does appear to be playing an important role on the Republican side. Indeed, 49 percent of likely Republican primary voters I surveyed score in the top quarter of the authoritarian scale—more than twice as many as Democratic voters.

Because of the ASSERTIONS by the man writing the article and doing the questioning of selected persons in order to make sure his "study" has the outcomes he desires.

Matthew MacWilliams is founder of MacWilliams Sanders, a political communications firms, and a Ph.D. candidate in political science at the University of Massachusetts, Amherst, where he is writing his dissertation about authoritarianism.

a reply to: introvert

Good points on both counts

originally posted by: BIGPoJo

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Krazysh0t

So let me get this straight.

There wasn't anything authoritarian about CLintons 'assault weapons ban'.

Or the Brady Law that for the first time in American History FORCED every American in this country have to ask the States permission to practice their second amendment RIGHTS ?

That was under CLinton too.

Or the 'Affordable' Care Act that FORCE people to buy a corporate product. Healthcare.

Some people sure do need to look in the mirror.

Libs will lecture cons on the constitution when it comes to gay marriage and abortion, even though those things are not in the constitution. But they want to ban guns. Ironic.

Many on the left hate Christians and attack them claiming the Bible is homophobic/sexists/racist, but when it suites them they remind Christians of verses in the Bible. Ironic.

I am starting to see a trend here.

Liberal does not mean anti-gun. There are plenty Leftie gun owners. I'd say its more geographical then anything else. IMO "city folk" are more likely to be anti-gun.

OH, the Christian persecution rant again. I'm not even going to bother.