Iran receives S-300 PMU2 and signs a deal for Su-30SM fighters

Iran receives first batch of S-300 PMU2 Air-defense system batteries which were upgraded per Iran's request . the batteries will be arriving in Iran on thursday .

www.jpost.com...

On another interesting news ,Russia will sign a contract with Iran by which they will Co-produce their 4++ gen fighter named Su-30SM on Iranian territory . Su-30SM is one of the deadliest multi-role fighters in the world today capable of performing A-A and A-G missions .



thediplomat.com...

Its been reported that Iran will also go for local production of T-90S MBTs and S-400 batteries .

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ALCON ,if attacking Iran was super-costly and insane ,now someone should be out of their minds even thinking about it .

Again, i would like to point out to the fact that Iran has not attacked any nation in 300 years and thats sth we hold pride in . its very easy to start wars and kill innocent people ,whats hard though is holding restraint and practicing patience . peace is for damn sure the hard way to go, but its totally worth it .

quick question isnt the S-300 outdated now in reguards to the updated US ECM export packages.
or are these updated to cover that? just seems like they would have been better off recontracting for export S-400s instead but then again im a tank guy not a AA guy feel free to correct me if im wrong

originally posted by: Nerdbird
quick question isnt the S-300 outdated now in reguards to the updated US ECM export packages.
or are these updated to cover that? just seems like they would have been better off recontracting for export S-400s instead but then again im a tank guy not a AA guy feel free to correct me if im wrong

Well another name for S-400 is actually S-300 PMU3 . there are not major differences between the 2 systems actually .

PMU-2 was introduced in 1997 about the same time as Patriot Pac-3 so they are not "out dated" at all . here is 2 major contributing factors as well :

1- Iran asked for upgrades in PMU-2 so the systems used are not 1997 technology ,its much newer . Russians also claimed that these upgrades are what took them so long delivering the system. this system is uniquely built for Iran .

2- Iran will integrate these systems into it's national defense grid . the most intimidating part of these systems fro Iran are not its radars or its target aquisition systems ,but are the long-range missiles which Iran lacks . Iran has a large array of indigenous radars and jamming systems which proved their capabilities in RQ-170 incident . they are all linked in one grid which controls everything . so the radars on S-300 could actually be deployed hundreds of kilometers away from the missiles that they come with !!!! whereas thats not the case for countries like Syria for example .

a reply to: haman10

I see Russia and Iran are intent on violating UN sanctions...

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: haman10

I see Russia and Iran are intent on violating UN sanctions...

No mate . UN gives case by case permits to sell or imports of military equipments to/from Iran from now till 2020 .

After that ,even that permit is not required .

a reply to: haman10

UNSCR 2231 still prohibits certain types of arms sales. UNSCR 2231 full text

Iran is prohibited from upgrading / purchasing certain military items, like tanks and military aircraft, for 5 years. There are also restrictions (conventional weapons) still in place from their ballistic missile program which was unrelated to 2231.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: haman10

UNSCR 2231 still prohibits certain types of arms sales. UNSCR 2231 full text

Iran is prohibited from upgrading / purchasing certain military items, like tanks and military aircraft, for 5 years. There are also restrictions (conventional weapons) still in place from their ballistic missile program which was unrelated to 2231.

these planes will not be available in less than 5 years anyway .

but then again ,if they were ,UN can address the issue if needs be (its mentioned in the same resolution)

a reply to: Xcathdra

America and allies are making more violations including in Yemen.

Seems that those NeoCons pushing for a war with Iran wont be happy.

Yawnnn once again the dreaded s-300/400. detection ranges of a US f-22 are less than 60 miles when in a full ECM environment, Well inside of the kill radius of its anti sam weapons.

As to the RQ-170 it wasnt really top secret stuff remember? And that was GPS SPOOFING and Lasers. It CRASHED in the desert and didnt make a landing as claimed. You can even see the repairs made to it in some of the footage of it that was shown.

Not to say that Its a weapon that the others in the mid east should not fear though. this is just no there there there.

a reply to: yuppa

detection ranges of a US f-22 are less than 60 miles when in a full ECM environment, Well inside of the kill radius of its anti sam weapons.

You must know more about the S300 and 400 capabilites than the CIA does.

originally posted by: spy66
a reply to: yuppa

detection ranges of a US f-22 are less than 60 miles when in a full ECM environment, Well inside of the kill radius of its anti sam weapons.

You must know more about the S300 and 400 capabilites than the CIA does.

Yup. Especially since the S-300/400/500 systems are all modular plug and play...and no public record of the radars being sold, in this package, have been included. Without knowing what modules and radars are in the sold systems...there is literally no way to determine the systems capabilities.

originally posted by: peck420

originally posted by: spy66
a reply to: yuppa

detection ranges of a US f-22 are less than 60 miles when in a full ECM environment, Well inside of the kill radius of its anti sam weapons.

You must know more about the S300 and 400 capabilites than the CIA does.

Yup. Especially since the S-300/400/500 systems are all modular plug and play...and no public record of the radars being sold, in this package, have been included. Without knowing what modules and radars are in the sold systems...there is literally no way to determine the systems capabilities.

Zaphod can educate you more on this subject if you ask i am sure. Here is some info i found though.

S-400 detection range 400 km for 1m2 (70km vs stealths low band active mode)
Pantsir-s1 active aray radar 30km vs 1m2. for harms,bombs, stealths is 10 km.
Pantsir-s1 passive lock-on with infra-red opticals 15 km vs stealths

If the radar is capable of detecting 1sq-m class targets at ~400km, it'll be capable of detecting an F-35 class RCS (~0.0014sq-m) target at 50~55km. The rough rule of thumb is that for 10 fold reduction in RCS, range is approximately halved. In addition, the seekers on the missiles themselves will also have a drastically smaller homing basket so when the missiles open their eyes they may need to be say 2.5km from the target instead of say 20km to actually acquire.

In short....The S-400s have GAPS in protection. Which makes them vulnerable and easier to kill than Billed.

a reply to: yuppa
Ah yes, because Almaz-Antey publicly provides all of the details of their radar systems...online.

Silly Russians...they should know that we get the internet too!

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: peck420

originally posted by: spy66
a reply to: yuppa

detection ranges of a US f-22 are less than 60 miles when in a full ECM environment, Well inside of the kill radius of its anti sam weapons.

You must know more about the S300 and 400 capabilites than the CIA does.

Yup. Especially since the S-300/400/500 systems are all modular plug and play...and no public record of the radars being sold, in this package, have been included. Without knowing what modules and radars are in the sold systems...there is literally no way to determine the systems capabilities.

Zaphod can educate you more on this subject if you ask i am sure. Here is some info i found though.

S-400 detection range 400 km for 1m2 (70km vs stealths low band active mode)
Pantsir-s1 active aray radar 30km vs 1m2. for harms,bombs, stealths is 10 km.
Pantsir-s1 passive lock-on with infra-red opticals 15 km vs stealths

If the radar is capable of detecting 1sq-m class targets at ~400km, it'll be capable of detecting an F-35 class RCS (~0.0014sq-m) target at 50~55km. The rough rule of thumb is that for 10 fold reduction in RCS, range is approximately halved. In addition, the seekers on the missiles themselves will also have a drastically smaller homing basket so when the missiles open their eyes they may need to be say 2.5km from the target instead of say 20km to actually acquire.

In short....The S-400s have GAPS in protection. Which makes them vulnerable and easier to kill than Billed.

But youre assuming the F35 knows where the s4 system is located.. so its probably not as easy as you make it sound.

originally posted by: TaleDawn
a reply to: Xcathdra

America and allies are making more violations including in Yemen.

The US is not in Yemen... try again.

originally posted by: yuppa
Yawnnn once again the dreaded s-300/400. detection ranges of a US f-22 are less than 60 miles when in a full ECM environment, Well inside of the kill radius of its anti sam weapons.

As to the RQ-170 it wasnt really top secret stuff remember? And that was GPS SPOOFING and Lasers. It CRASHED in the desert and didnt make a landing as claimed. You can even see the repairs made to it in some of the footage of it that was shown.

Not to say that Its a weapon that the others in the mid east should not fear though. this is just no there there there.

they said the same thing about F-117 i suppose . a rusty outdated buk system shot down that baby down . bang bang . it hit the ground bang bang .

the F-117 has a RCS of 0.001 m2 . F-22 has the same RCS from its sides and 0.0001 m2 from front . so basically what you said is very nice looking , but false .

if buk can shoot F-117 down , S-400 can haunt F-22 like flies in the air .

and abt RQ-170 , no, Iran showed actual footage of its interception . so another false statement from you .

originally posted by: haman10

originally posted by: yuppa
Yawnnn once again the dreaded s-300/400. detection ranges of a US f-22 are less than 60 miles when in a full ECM environment, Well inside of the kill radius of its anti sam weapons.

As to the RQ-170 it wasnt really top secret stuff remember? And that was GPS SPOOFING and Lasers. It CRASHED in the desert and didnt make a landing as claimed. You can even see the repairs made to it in some of the footage of it that was shown.

Not to say that Its a weapon that the others in the mid east should not fear though. this is just no there there there.

they said the same thing about F-117 i suppose . a rusty outdated buk system shot down that baby down . bang bang . it hit the ground bang bang .

the F-117 has a RCS of 0.001 m2 . F-22 has the same RCS from its sides and 0.0001 m2 from front . so basically what you said is very nice looking , but false .

if buk can shoot F-117 down , S-400 can haunt F-22 like flies in the air .

and abt RQ-170 , no, Iran showed actual footage of its interception . so another false statement from you .

Teh F-117 was flying OUT OF ITS MISSION PROFILE AND THE SAME FLIGHTPATH. When they flew at nightand a different flightpath the SAMs coudnt hit them for #. Nice try to sell that load of horsecrap.

a reply to: yuppa
Any way you spin it, attacking Iran is not going to be a cakewalk. Jets will be lost, so will bombers, so will drones. These systems will likely be grouped together to cover gaps in the event that a foreign aggressor with advanced military capabilities is alluding to an imminent invasion/attack on sovereignty . Is it possible that a 5th generation fighter/bomber could take out an AA isle battery? Sure, but what are the odds that it will escape detection and engagement from the rest of them without damage/destruction???


Either way, I know you do not support a violation of sovereignty against Iran
personally, but it is important not to downplay achievements and acquisitions of a perceived threat/rival's defensive capabilities, or unexpected consequences can occur just like that F-117. How it happened is irrelevant, the fact is that it happened, and by a less equipped adversary at that.

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: haman10

originally posted by: yuppa
Yawnnn once again the dreaded s-300/400. detection ranges of a US f-22 are less than 60 miles when in a full ECM environment, Well inside of the kill radius of its anti sam weapons.

As to the RQ-170 it wasnt really top secret stuff remember? And that was GPS SPOOFING and Lasers. It CRASHED in the desert and didnt make a landing as claimed. You can even see the repairs made to it in some of the footage of it that was shown.

Not to say that Its a weapon that the others in the mid east should not fear though. this is just no there there there.

they said the same thing about F-117 i suppose . a rusty outdated buk system shot down that baby down . bang bang . it hit the ground bang bang .

the F-117 has a RCS of 0.001 m2 . F-22 has the same RCS from its sides and 0.0001 m2 from front . so basically what you said is very nice looking , but false .

if buk can shoot F-117 down , S-400 can haunt F-22 like flies in the air .

and abt RQ-170 , no, Iran showed actual footage of its interception . so another false statement from you .

Teh F-117 was flying OUT OF ITS MISSION PROFILE AND THE SAME FLIGHTPATH. When they flew at nightand a different flightpath the SAMs coudnt hit them for #. Nice try to sell that load of horsecrap.

WoW. Calm down mate

We're having a civilized discussion here. I'm not trying to undermine the effectiveness of Stealth technology. You are trying to undermine Air defense systems.

Which is both odd and dumb.

Need i remind you that shooting down an aircraft needs realtime coordinates of the target? Flying down the same path is helpful indeed but not determining at all