Is the Cloud another step towards removing private ownership?

So you use to spend say $900 dollars on photoshop and you got s copy of it on a disc that's a complete program and now we have the creative cloud.

It seems like this is the continuation of moves towards removing private property in the United States. Look at what's happening by the BLM.

Putting us on a basic standard of living income will move us in that same direction. Does it seem like there is a major plan being executed with a goal of removing private property right?

originally posted by: onequestion
So you use to spend say $900 dollars on photoshop and you got s copy of it on a disc that's a complete program and now we have the creative cloud.

It seems like this is the continuation of moves towards removing private property in the United States. Look at what's happening with the BLM.

Putting us on a basic standard of living income will move us in that same direction. Does it seem like there is a major plan being executed with a goal of removing private property right?

originally posted by: onequestion
So you use to spend say $900 dollars on photoshop and you got s copy of it on a disc that's a complete program and now we have the creative cloud.

It seems like this is the continuation of moves towards removing private property in the United States. Look at what's happening by the BLM.

Putting us on a basic standard of living income will move us in that same direction. Does it seem like there is a major plan being executed with a goal of removing private property right?

I think enabling the little people like you and me, put stuff on the cloud will simply eventually lead to no other choice but cloud storage and all the while make surveillance by the state and or the corporate state, that much easier. Already we see corporates like Google become private regulators.

How long before someone like google gets prosecutory powers because you got some porn in your cloud strorage or you criticized a public figure on a forum like ATS?

The combined power cloud and copyright will certainly lead a loss of property ownership for the masses.

Do you reader, realise you soon won't own the shirt on your back because you don't own the copyright to it?
You will soon not own the TV you paid for because you don't own the copyright on the TV. John Deere tractors are activity considering this approach with farm tractors I have read on ATS.

Motor vehicle "owners" no longer own their cars because they are registered with govt and the 'owner' is now only noted on the paperwork as the keeper of the vehicle. Notice they do no use the word 'custodian' or 'posessor.'

If you don't like the business model offered by the Cloud, then buy something else.

Just another reason to "own" less stuff and spend your money on fun experiences/holidays for your family- i do believe our memories will always belong to us,good or bad.Or spend your money on getting your qualifications in a good solid trade that could stand you in good stead pre and post apocalypse.

The idea of owning a home has never much appealed to me because once you hit a hard time+cannot pay your annual property taxes you could well lose that home you''ve spent your life paying off-what an abomination!! My husband and i will settle for a Winnebago style motorhome and cruise the country when he retires.Or a Wendigo,as my daughter calls it Either way we won't have to worry about losing our home through property taxes.

Contemplating this. It's more about creating the dependency to a particular company. For example, how many users of Apple products will just not bother moving because all their stuff is sitting on Apple servers. Companies rely on people's apathy.

originally posted by: paraphi
Contemplating this. It's more about creating the dependency to a particular company. For example, how many users of Apple products will just not bother moving because all their stuff is sitting on Apple servers. Companies rely on people's apathy.

You may be totally correct or partly ? I am not religious but the whole 666 thing was explain by doing away with money and going to a cashless society. You could not purchase anything without your credit/cash card. (something along the biblical mark of the beast for nothing can be had without the mark which already exist with many internet companies.. for they will not take a check or cash)..

There are already discussions on doing away with the 500 pound note and the USA 100 dollar bill.. You know to keep the money away from the drug runners and the underground economy... The underground economy and all the taxes the government misses out on ... I heard the discussion on Ground zero I think..

Like I said I am not into that sort of religious stuff but the person being interviewed did bring up some very interesting points about all the smart appliances et al and the push for no money just debit/credit cards..... They were even talking about microphones in light bulbs and some of the other patents that have been issued ! hahah One thing about some of this stuff and those who remember a simpler more trusting time... There are plenty of rumors and innuendo for one to ponder about absolute control of the people by the controllers...hahahhaah....

a reply to: onequestion

Almost all software programs you buy i.e OS's, Games,Digital editing software etc. Corporations license IPs out to consumers, you don't own anything. In most cases they have ways to remotely lock you out of the system if they deem your use of the product violates their terms of service.

Your probably right though,the cloud would just further erode any sort of IP rights consumers had by having software companies force Cloud services as the ONLY way to store any type of date files.
In a way it would be an oligopoly on data storage.

The potential to abuse that kind of power is...well...something I think many of us can agree is terrible in the long term.

I don't like it a single bit.
If you must use cloud storage for some reason, then buy a NAS.
There will be a learning curve as it's not just "set up an account and start using it"
but it's safer and with less limitations.
Maybe use a basic cloud service just to move around stuff you don't really care about.
i have a NAS and onedrive by microsoft just for those things that don't really matter.

I have no reason to trust a nameless faceless corporation that stores my data in who knows what server in who knows what part of the world.
And it's not just " conspiracy paranoia".
It's been made clear that companies do not trust us, that we are monitored to make sure we behave a certain way, technically speaking you don't actually own your OS or the games you buy, it's more like a prolonged rental, you are not even allowed some real ownership of things you pay for.
So why should i just freely hand over things that are MINE to a some random company?

a reply to: onequestion

No.

The idea behind the cloud is that you are no longer tied to one computer.

You can be anywhere and as long as you have internet you can access your files anytime and anyplace.

It's about flexibility.

I pay £99 pounds for Dragon speak just over two years ago.
I had to re'load windows.
and now the program needs to to log ont to add the program.
but its out of date??? I was never told this!

in the futre we will live in a vurtule world.
and ALL of it on line.
so no internet you are Dead!

when you boot up a new computer with windows
you can Not add a virues or firewall program
you have to go on the web to do it.
by then its to late. as the web has Had
totaly open acsses to your computer.

I believe it is all about money. Make people make a payment every month. Once a person has much data they want up there, he/she can't stop paying or lose it. How long before up is real easy, down not so easy.

And a side effect is the snoop factor. It will enable, with or without laws, for the data to be scanned for "illegal" activity.

People are just fodder in the game of money.

a reply to: onequestion

The "cloud" is the worst idea ever, for many of the reasons stated here. Anything that goes on the cloud must be considered public. And that's just one problem.

The cloud is a move back to the old days of mainframe computers and users with terminals... very highly centralized. There's a reason PCs have proven so popular; they break that model.

Yes, there are issues and situations that a centralized mainframe can handle more effectively than a PC can, but moving everything back to that model is a terrible idea.

The whole "access your documents from anywhere" thing is just smoke, mirrors and shiny things, and just encourages the attitude among employers that workers are and should be available 24/7. How often, really, does one need to access that super important powerpoint presentation at 5:30 Sunday afternoon from the park?

Cloud bad.

So there's a couple things to consider here...

- Software companies have long realized there is no way to completely eliminate piracy with individual ownership. The cloud solves this problem almost entirely.

- Software companies such as MS have long been subsidizing hardware manufacturers (PC's, etc.). This is why a device with no OS costs far more than a device without.

- The avalanche in market trends has been moving toward mobile devices (i.e. smart phones, tablets, etc.)

- The wireless companies are now subsidizing the "cloud" approach. Subscription based bandwidth to access all the items above is precisely their business model, hence the subsidies. So now, wireless companies subsidize software makers, and software makers subsidize hardware manufacturers, and hardware manufacturers subsidize chipset manufacturers. All very convenient and cozy. Take one guess who's subsidizing the wireless manufacturers(???) (see item below).

- No government is ever going to argue having everything in the cloud. It makes everything much easier to 'mine' for intelligence purposes.

- The cloud takes security pretty much out of the hands of the user and puts it in the hands of a select few organizations.

So what's the end-game, the conclusion?

On a much more sinister and subtle note, most people don't realize the fiber optics industry completely changed the intelligence gathering paradigm around the globe. Yes, fiber can be hacked, but it's a far more difficult and intrusive proposition compared to electrical (across copper wires) and through the air (radio / microwave, etc). This whole trend towards 'cloud computing' un-ravels many of these secrets...and puts them once again back into an easily intercepted and analyzed medium. It's a virtual step backwards in technology for the purposes of surveillance. Remember, the lions share of the SIGINT and ELINT are founded on over-the-air intercepts. Trillions of dollars have been invested. The longer governments can keep secrets flowing through the ether, the better.

a reply to: onequestion

I've personally never understood the allure of using someone else's "Cloud Storage." Maybe I just haven't looked into it enough, but I remember at one time seeing the monthly cost of a certain amount of "Cloud Storage", and calculating that I could purchase the same amount of far-more-secure physical storage media for about the cost of 6 weeks of using theirs.

I DO think you're right in your assumption, that it is, at least in part, a move toward abolishing private ownership and instituting permanent dependency, but I believe it will be more a matter of choice/preference and ease of doing. So people want their files accessible anywhere, on all their devices, but they don't know how to set up the access to it with their home desktop as the server (neither do I, but my buddy does.)

ETA: oops, wanted to add, can you clarify what you mean in regards to the Bureau of Land Management and their long-standing custodianship over federal-owned lands? I don't think that really fits into this conversation.

All the things are happening now, were planned for back in the 1990's. It was anticipated that network servers with CPU's and Terabytes of memory would become faster than local disk storage. So the idea of cloud computing using multi-core servers was out there. RFID tags, and mobile systems-on-a-chip running tasks were also available.

If you then have a network that is faster than local storage, then you can get rid of those components (hard disk drives, floppy disk drives, CD-ROMS, DVD's, BLU-RAY players. That squashes the size of a laptop especially with the use of wi-fi and wireless networks. Since pictures and files are intended to be sent across the Internet anyway, there isn't any need for privacy, so it's OK to backup files to a server.

a reply to: onequestion

They would have to change the copyright laws and that would not be in favor of the industries who actively bitch about it.

Think about it, MGM uploads a film to their cloud service, let's assume internally, since that would be easiest way to share unfinished or finished work among people who are supposed to review it or work on it.

That copyright in the case you are discussing would then pass from MGM to the Cloud Service....that doesn't seem right does it?

There would be a whole list of laws and challenges right up to SCOTUS before any of this could take hold.

~Tenth

a reply to: onequestion

Truth is you don't 'own' anything that is software, it's all licensed with terms & conditions. The personal cloud is about creating dependency with a single vendor to ensure your continued business with them as a reliable revenue stream. There are advantages, such as freeing up memory on your devices for other media and access anywhere, but drawbacks as well like that whole dependency dilemma and potential loss of privacy.