UK Church Hosts 'Blasphemous' Play Portraying Jesus as Transexual Woman for Queer Festival

a reply to: JohnthePhilistine

Where is it mandated that a church isn't allowed to put on a play featuring transsexuals now? I didn't realize that Deathslayer here was the authority on what is and isn't allowed to be played in a church.

This whole thread is just a ridiculous Christian being outraged that people are doing things he disapproves of in locations he has no relevance to (I'm betting he isn't from Manchester). Just stereotypical Christian outrage.

Where is the call to behead the creator of this?

I was under the assumption thats what all religions of peace did when their prophets are blasphemed?

originally posted by: Slanter
Maybe it was an outreach thing? I can't think of a better way to get masses of sinners into your church than to host an event like this. Maybe he's more on the "forgiveness" side of the bible as apposed to the "fire and brimstone" angle.

If you enter my home and knowingly violate my house rules what makes you think I would be willing to hear what you have to say?

Was there a sermon after this blasphemous play? NO so your reason is faulty.

Blasphemy is not welcome and forbidden in a house of God. I thought most people knew this.

Maybe next week they can have pornographic movies with hookers. They can throw a few cots up for the hookers and also maybe sell pizza and beer?

I suppose if it gets a few bums on seats in the church, that will make a difference

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
Shut it down because someone is offended?

If this were mocking any of the left wing liberal protected groups, yes that is exactly what would happen.

originally posted by: TheBulk

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: DeathSlayer

Nothing like a Christian judging others on how they practice their religion. Good times.

PS: Transsexualism and homosexuality aren't the same thing.

turn this in to an article about mocking Islam and suddenly your post completely changes.

Nice try, but you are wrong here. I'd be laughing at a Muslim getting mad at other Muslims for practicing his religion "wrong" too. Though I know that you clearly aren't interested in learning the nuances that separates my beef with people critical of Muslims versus what is going on in this thread, so I probably won't entertain any more posts along this vein.

a reply to: DeathSlayer

Money Changers and they whom sold Doves in the porch of the Temple.
This is the only incident were the Lord acted physically in a manner some may see as violent, he showed them the door and kicked them out of his father's house.
biblehub.com...

a reply to: DeathSlayer

originally posted by: windword
reply to post by etidorpha


Actually, Jesus having been a woman isn't that unusual a claim. People have been claiming that Jesus was a woman since 30AD, at least!

Shocking Archaeology Discovery: Jesus Was A Girl!

JERUSALEM- A team of archaeologists discovered artifacts near the wall in Jerusalem's ancient City of David that not only shows evidence that Jesus actually existed, but that "he" was a female. The amazing discoveries make it, not only the earliest known evidence for Jesus, but reveals that Jesus was actually a girl.

Carbon dating puts the artifacts at around 30 A.D. which makes this the earliest known evidence for an historical Jesus.

Zahi Mazar, the head of the Institute of Biblical Archaeology at the Shalem Center in Jerusalem and the leader of the dig, exclaimed, "We are amazed!," noting that a painting, a brass relief, and a cylinder object were found in the dig that is actually from a contemporary period, made during the life of Jesus. "It was something we did not plan on," Mazar said.

In describing the painting, Ephraim Balzar, a professor emeritus at Tel Aviv University, depicted the mural as, "Jesus with flowers in her hair, wearing a pearl necklace and a beaded anklet (ankle bracelet). And note Christ wearing the red lipstick." Also in the painting, "you can see a vertical ichthys that had a special meaning in ancient religions."

Ichthys is Greek for fish, and is represented by two intersecting arcs, commonly known today as the Christian Fish symbol. The Ichthys symbol was commonly depicted by pagans in a vertical fashion to represent the vagina, a symbol of the Great Mother' entrance to the womb. "You have to realize," Balzar said, "that the first Christians were pagans. And since they met and saw Jesus, they certainly would have known if she was a girl or not."

a reply to: DeathSlayer

My spouse and I are queer as hell so her and I have both done a lot of research on who to avoid and who isn't going to assault us if we hold hands in public or show up at a parent/teacher conference together. Naturally, this requires studying various denominations of Christianity.

The disparity on their views of LGBT folk is staggering. There are Christian denominations who would literally stone us to death if they could yet there are other Christian denominations who have openly gay clergy (or host a play about Jesus, the transwoman). It's like the difference between the churches who supported the KKK and the churches who fought for civil rights in the 20th century.

It is dizzying looking at all of this. When we meet a Christian, we don't know if that person wants us dead or if that person is an advocate, a person who would defend us from the bigots. It's insane.

originally posted by: DeathSlayer

originally posted by: Slanter
Maybe it was an outreach thing? I can't think of a better way to get masses of sinners into your church than to host an event like this. Maybe he's more on the "forgiveness" side of the bible as apposed to the "fire and brimstone" angle.

Maybe next week they can have pornographic movies with hookers. They can throw a few cots up for the hookers and also maybe sell pizza and beer?

You mean, actually make church worth waking up for on a Sunday morning?

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: JohnthePhilistine

Where is it mandated that a church isn't allowed to put on a play featuring transsexuals now? I didn't realize that Deathslayer here was the authority on what is an isn't allowed to be played in a church.

This whole thread is just a ridiculous Christian being outraged that people are doing things he disapproves of in locations he has no relevance to (I'm betting he isn't from Manchester). Just stereotypical Christian outrage.

Incorrect..... as you normally are when dealing with spiritual issues that deal with God and his kingdom.

If you do not know why a church is NOT allowed to to feature a play of this kind then there is NO reason to discuss this with you. A child of God would understand this and clearly you are not one by the remarks you make.

originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: DeathSlayer

Money Changers and they whom sold Doves in the porch of the Temple.
This is the only incident were the Lord acted physically in a manner some may see as violent, he showed them the door and kicked them out of his father's house.
biblehub.com...

Seeing how mad and angry Christ was at those profiting from their wares etc...... Just think what Jesus would have done had he walked in and saw this transvestite putting on this play in the house of God?

a reply to: DeathSlayer

Lol. I know EXACTLY what you are trying to say and that's what makes it so funny. Looks like even churches are leaving your hate and contempt for others' actions irrelevant to your well being in the mud. Well at least this church is.

I'm enjoying your religious correctness as BenevolentHeretic put it. You get no say on what this church does or the events it sponsors and watching you vent and fume about it isn't going to accomplish much but expose you as a hater.

I still want to know how you can justify transsexualism being against the bible. Your quotes about homosexuality are wrong, because AGAIN transsexual != homosexuality. They aren't the same thing. There aren't ANY passages in the bible about transsexuality. You are just trying to push your hate onto other and trying to justify it with your religion. As usual with overly judgmental Christians.

originally posted by: Abysha
a reply to: DeathSlayer

My spouse and I are queer as hell so her and I have both done a lot of research on who to avoid and who isn't going to assault us if we hold hands in public or show up at a parent/teacher conference together. Naturally, this requires studying various denominations of Christianity.

The disparity on their views of LGBT folk is staggering. There are Christian denominations who would literally stone us to death if they could yet there are other Christian denominations who have openly gay clergy (or host a play about Jesus, the transwoman). It's like the difference between the churches who supported the KKK and the churches who fought for civil rights in the 20th century.

It is dizzying looking at all of this. When we meet a Christian, we don't know if that person wants us dead or if that person is an advocate, a person who would defend us from the bigots. It's insane.

I like your thread and even though I disagree with your life choices does not mean I would want to stone you and your lover but instead I would let you live your life that you have chosen HOWEVER if you asked me my opinion of your life choices then I would tell you what the scriptures say about this type of relationship and what God says about it.

I can not judge you..... I am not God... He will judge you AS HE WILL JUDGE ME AS WELL.

You speak as if you are not of the Christian faith..... this is your choice. There are Christian faith that accept gay pastors and active gay members but the scriptures teach us many things and one of these teachings is to stay away from these type of churches for the Holy Spirit does not dwell there.

originally posted by: Abysha
a reply to: DeathSlayer

My spouse and I are queer as hell so her and I have both done a lot of research on who to avoid and who isn't going to assault us if we hold hands in public or show up at a parent/teacher conference together. Naturally, this requires studying various denominations of Christianity.

The disparity on their views of LGBT folk is staggering. There are Christian denominations who would literally stone us to death if they could yet there are other Christian denominations who have openly gay clergy (or host a play about Jesus, the transwoman). It's like the difference between the churches who supported the KKK and the churches who fought for civil rights in the 20th century.

It is dizzying looking at all of this. When we meet a Christian, we don't know if that person wants us dead or if that person is an advocate, a person who would defend us from the bigots. It's insane.

Your point is relevant but if they want you dead then I have to say they are NOT christian, you are what you are and I can not change that but in the words of the bible the lord would rather a repentant sinner than a dead one and we are all his children he also told us to turn the other cheek and not to judge other's which are two thing's that make the most righteous of us if we admit it just as guilty as those we are criticising.

What he did say was to love him first, sacrice our natures on his cross as the old (sinful) man has to die on his cross for the new one to be born in his resurrection.

Before any one casts a stone therefore I have to admit the old addage of he whom lives in a glass house is definitely relevant especially considering how our lord was more oft to be found in the company of Sinners whom are after all whom he came to save than with doctors of the law.

Here is my argument for you and your spouse therefore, He came for you to save you and to lead you, I can not judge you and neither can any other but He can BUT he is merciful and we whom judged will also be judged, by our measure shall it be measured unto us.

If you believe he is real and if you accept his sacrifice on your behalf are you willing to try to sacrifice your own nature on his behalf or at least to try to abstein and simply be a good person as best you can.

This is not a thread judging you but about a desecration of a sanctuary meant as a place of contemplation and prayer for the christian flock, I actually do not believe the church though is in a building it is in the congregation and it's stone's are it's people.

Christian's are supposed to avoid those whom refuse to change there way's not to persecute but I have also to ask you is not the Gay community (As well as the secularist and atheist) conducting there own persecution of Christian belief's on there own behalf.

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa

originally posted by: DeathSlayer

originally posted by: Slanter
Maybe it was an outreach thing? I can't think of a better way to get masses of sinners into your church than to host an event like this. Maybe he's more on the "forgiveness" side of the bible as apposed to the "fire and brimstone" angle.

Maybe next week they can have pornographic movies with hookers. They can throw a few cots up for the hookers and also maybe sell pizza and beer?

You mean, actually make church worth waking up for on a Sunday morning?

HaHa BUT you make a good point.......today many churches are VERY boring..... and whose fault is that? It is the pastor for his teachings have not touched your heart.

There are many boring pastors who have lost their love for teaching their flock. They have lost that love they had when they found Christ. A VERY BIG PROBLEM TODAY.

BUT what if I told you there are churches out there filled with the Holy Spirit.... so much that it would be the best high you could ever imagine? Would that motivate you to go back?

Shouldn't christianity be banned from humanity with all the crimes people have commited in the name of Lord?

All these queers are doing is poking fun and being rude.

If anything, we should should be happy that they are allowed to do this. If this was 100 years ago, or in a religious country, such as Iran, these queers would probably be burned alive for this kind of disrespect.

I understand that this is annoying or upsetting to your faith, but there are far worse things going on in the world that hover around the subject of religion.

originally posted by: blueman12
Shouldn't christianity be banned from humanity with all the crimes people have commited in the name of Lord?

All these queers are doing is poking fun and being rude.

If anything, we should should be happy that they are allowed to do this. If this was 100 years ago, or in a religious country, such as Iran, these queers would probably be burned alive for this kind of disrespect.

I understand that this is annoying or upsetting to your faith, but there are far worse things going on in the world that hover around the subject of religion.

One day Christianity will be banned world wide so your dream will come true but not for the reasons you give. And I will even top you......those that continue to practice Christianity will be put in jail, flogged and even executed.

Will this make you happy?

a reply to: DeathSlayer

Interesting that they chose the epithet "Queen of Heaven". That is one of the titles of the "whore of Babylon", a spiritual representatative of occultism and "mystery Babylon" belief that will gain in power in the last days (according to the Revelation of Jesus Christ by St John).

But, people have been insulting Jesus for millennia.

... and, just my 10cents worth, but the sin of homosexuality according to God's Law is covered under 'having sex outside of the approved model of a normal monogamous marriage where one may conceive children'.

Homosexuality, adultery, premarital sex, bestiality and other behaviors are sins of sexual promiscuity - no worse or different than any other sin (except for the unpardonable sin).

I seriously doubt this is going to change any believers' minds about Jesus.

Didn't Christians claim that the Muslims who got offended over that Benghazi video were being too sensitive and were overreacting? Potato potahto.

Manufactured outrage at its finest. People are allowed to express themselves and their art as they please. Talk about overreaction.