Here's Why so Many People Like Bernie

a reply to: Imightknow

They like him because people love Santa Clause. Especially one giving away self titled "free" stuff.

a reply to: theatreboy

I work forty hours a week. I make $55 an hour. According to bernies web site, i will be taxed at 30%.

According to his website, those making $150,000 a year will be taxed at 19%.

Tell me, how is he helping those of us who make $60000 to $90000 a year? Being a union electrician, i can tell you that as taxes increase, the amount of construction decreases.

Therefore, hit the top 1%, they take the work and jobs elsewhere.

Btw, i am the farthest thing from a low info voter you will ever know.

My mother in law owns a small business and employs a highschool student part-time for $10 an hour. Under Bernie's minimum wage, she would have to pay her employee more than she pays herself.

a reply to: theatreboy

Actually according to Bernie's website your taxes would not change at all. Also you'd be saving $5K per year on healthcare.

If you do not wish to come off as a low-info voter perhaps you should reevaluate the things you say and the ideas you promote. Characterising people that work just as long and hard as you as "lazy" is something else.

So. A union electrician huh? Interesting that you'd be arguing against the only candidate who would wholeheartedly support unions and union workers. Typical though.

originally posted by: arcnaver

This is probably the closest to the root of the reason as anyone will get. It IS about Communism and Socialism. The youth now believe that Socialism is a good thing because they've never actually seen it and the severe corruption and social issues it actually causes. They've only latched onto the Communist Utopia Idea of it, thinking that's what they're going to get, when the're actually going to get severely restricted freedoms and long soup lines. Yay, Utopia at last!

This post makes it obvious you've never seen social democracy either. Have you honestly never even been to Canada?

a reply to: Malynn

This post makes it obvious you've never seen social democracy either. Have you honestly never even been to Canada?

How is Canada a social democracy?

originally posted by: TheTory
a reply to: SaturnFX

If by "northern europe" you mean the constitutional monarchies and republics of the nordic model, they didn't start thriving until they adopted capitalism.

The debate isn't about what works and what benefits so and so – slavery worked and benefited some people. It's about what is right and wrong and what is immoral. Forcing people to hand over their hard-earned dollar to benefit a few is immoral. Neglecting charitable duties in favor of government legislated morality is immoral.

*"If by 'northern europe' you mean the constitutional monarchies and republics of the nordic model, they didn't start thriving until they combined socialism and capitalism"

Fixed that for you.

And allowing lives and families to be ruined because someone gets sick isn't immoral? Allowing people to be born, live, and die in hopeless despair because the vagina they fell out of wasn't in the correct zip code or tax bracket isn't immoral? Allowing the oligarchy and corporate puppet masters to use our military full of predominantly poor people as cannon fodder to subjugate other countries into following their agenda isn't immoral?!?!

a reply to: Malynn

Nope, just socialism are bad!

a reply to: Malynn

They didn't combine socialism and capitalism. They added capitalism to a failing socialism.

And allowing lives and families to be ruined because someone gets sick isn't immoral? Allowing people to be born, live, and die in hopeless despair because the vagina they fell out of wasn't in the correct zip code or tax bracket isn't immoral? Allowing the oligarchy and corporate puppet masters to use our military full of predominantly poor people as cannon fodder to subjugate other countries into following their agenda isn't immoral?!?!

Then why are you allowing it? Go give them money. If you're so moral, why not help them out instead of legislating others to do it for you. Go start a company and pay people a good wage. Give them healthcare if you are so moral. But you won't because you're not moral.

a reply to: TheTory

*face desk*

Because it adheres to democratic ideals while combining capitalism with social programs! Sure they do the parliamentary system instead of this two-party dog and pony show we have, but still.

a reply to: Malynn

Because it adheres to democratic ideals while combining capitalism with social programs! Sure they do the parliamentary system instead of this two-party dog and pony show we have, but still.

Name one social democratic party that has held power in Canada.

Social Democracy in Canada

a reply to: macman

Keep preaching your empty catch phrases. None of us are looking for anything free. None of us want a hand out. We just want a return on our tax investment. We want the moneys we pay in taxes to provide us with something, rather than just adding wealth to already rich people.

Why should 90% of what I pay in taxes subsidize the big businesses of already massively wealthy people? I want my tax dollars to go to healthcare, education, food, housing, social advancements. Not wars, Walmart, and extra yachts or vacation mansions for the Walton's or Rockefeller's.

a reply to: TheTory

Because trying to form legislature to help all Americans maintain a certain level of survival is a bad thing? Sure evolution takes time, & things might hurt in the interim as changes go into effect, but the direction we've been going is even less sustainable as the rich elite would seemingly cut off their nose to spite their face in the name of unbridled materialism & numbers on a computer screen.
Egalitarianism. Try it sometime, but don't go too fast or you might get a headache.

originally posted by: TheTory

They didn't combine socialism and capitalism. They added capitalism to a failing socialism.

And allowing lives and families to be ruined because someone gets sick isn't immoral? Allowing people to be born, live, and die in hopeless despair because the vagina they fell out of wasn't in the correct zip code or tax bracket isn't immoral? Allowing the oligarchy and corporate puppet masters to use our military full of predominantly poor people as cannon fodder to subjugate other countries into following their agenda isn't immoral?!?!

Then why are you allowing it? Go give them money. If you're so moral, why not help them out instead of legislating others to do it for you. Go start a company and pay people a good wage. Give them healthcare if you are so moral. But you won't because you're not moral.

Then why didn't they remove the socialism? Why is it still there? Why are they devising new programs all the time? You'll have to do better than that. This would be a good time for you to present your proofs that social democracy fails. I'll wait.

And I'm not allowing it. I give to charities. I volunteer. And I take full advantage of my constitutionally guaranteed rights. I also fulfil my duty as a citizen of a democracy. I educate myself and do my best to educate my countrymen. And what do ya know? Looks like my line of thinking isn't so rare afterall.

You can try to change our minds I guess but you'll have to do better. We can't really hear you over the roar of the 20,000 or so people showing up to hear Bernie speak.

a reply to: TheTory

Name one capitalist or democratic party that has ever held power in the US.

This guy pretty much embodies my views on most politics flawlessly. He's a #ing genius, too.

Why Bernie Sanders is More Electable than People Think

A few days ago, I wrote a popular post about the ideological differences between Bernie Sanders, the egalitarian committed to shrinking the financial sector and boosting consumption by raising wages, and Hillary Clinton, the neoliberal committed to protecting the interests of finance capital. I explained the history of the Democratic Party and how it came to be captured by neoliberalism–the same economic ideology espoused by Ronald Reagan and many of his successors in the Republican Party. Many people found that this clarified the differences between Bernie and Hillary for them. However some people expressed concern that even though they think Bernie’s ideology is more desirable, he may still nonetheless be unable to beat a republican in a general election. A republican victory would be awful for the left–even a neoliberal democrat is still noticeably to the left of a neoliberal republican, especially on issues like climate change or LGBT rights. However, I think there are good reasons to think that Bernie is at least as electable as Hillary, and possibly significantly more so.

a reply to: TheTory

You can pretend to misunderstand my terminology all you want. When I say Social Democracy (which is the European term for democratic socialism) I am referring to countries who have adopted democracy and capitalism with socialist programs. Canada is most assuredly one of those.

And the NDP (the socialist-y Canadian party) hasn't gotten to form their own government in Canada yet but they gain power every year. They definitely have a sizeable seat at the federal table. Regardless the most conservative Canadians think our Republicans are lunatics for the most part.

a reply to: pexx421

No, you want higher taxes to get health care and such.

You know, tax the "evil" rich.

At what point is there a "return" on tax dollars. That is not how this country was founded. Tax dollars were not there to care for people or provide crap to people or BUSINESS.

a reply to: macman

Really? So what exactly are taxes "intended" for?

originally posted by: Malynn
a reply to: macman

Really? So what exactly are taxes "intended" for?

To pay the corporations that profit from war. Tax payer provided subsidies for already profitable companies.

and high dollar salaries to pay the managerial bureaucrats.

a reply to: Malynn

Are you being serious or sarcastic?

What do the founding documents state regarding this?