Scalia Death Suspicious "We discovered the judge in bed, a pillow over his head."

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: MotherMayEye
An autopsy should be performed on every public official who dies in office?
Perhaps there should be a law to that effect.

I don't think that's unreasonable when the cause of death and underlying cause(s) is not immediately known.

While YOU might not be aware of the underlying causes, the Justice of the Peace, the US Marshalls that responded, Justice Scalia's personal Physician and Justice Scalia's family apparently are...

Thus the Justice of the Peace saying she wanted to speak to the family Physician first before declaring it Natural Causes, despite the US Marshalls on the scene saying they found no evidence of foul play.

And the family Physician finding it relevant to explain that Justice Scalia had seen him both on Wed. and Thursday last week and received an MRI and suffered from significant "Health Issues"..

And thus Justice Scalia's family finding no reason to question that he died from natural causes and making "clear" that they did not want an autopsy.

While YOU might not be aware of the "underlying causes"...that does not mean they are not known.

The Justice of the Peace also explained that she would amend the Death Certificate once she had received the full medical files from the family Physician..so we will know within a week...but apparently whatever it was the family Physician shared, it was compelling.

a reply to: 123143
Because it has to do with a sitting president?

But JKF's murder has nothing to do with this. That was a clear cut murder, something that does call for an autopsy.

Lets keep it about Scalia and him being 79, overweight and high blood pressure laying in a bed with no signs of suffocation or struggle.

I'm late to the game and not sure if it's been mentioned but Patton had no autopsy either. And we're still talking about that all these years later

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: 123143
Because it has to do with a sitting president?

But JKF's murder has nothing to do with this. That was a clear cut murder, something that does call for an autopsy.

Lets keep it about Scalia and him being 79, overweight and high blood pressure laying in a bed with no signs of suffocation or struggle.

Mmm, no.

But carry on.

I wonder if all the people here saying since the public says it needs to be done then it needs to be done are going to stick with that on other issues.
The kangaroo courts have spoken guys! Get that autopsy done! The mob has decided!!

a reply to: 123143

So you don't want to talk about the actual topic...
Strange.

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Signals

Poindexter now goes from a local small time Democrat donor to a higher ranking national operative with praise from Obama himself.

He also had some problems with buying land from the Texas State Park that his "ranch" in inside of.

And, that whole area is well known as a smuggling route.

Very suspicious all the way around.

Since 2012, Poindexter has also been secretly buying up large areas of land in Virginia under a shell company named Southwestern Holdings Inc.

a reply to: IAMTAT

So secret that within days of his name being in the public it is already surfaced?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: MotherMayEye

Have you never heard of the Freedom of Information Act?

Yes, I have. It doesn't seem to require that autopsies be performed on public demand.

I think you should also google '"public interest" AND autopsy.'

Ok...
Can't really find anything about autopsies being performed because of public interest. Maybe you can help.

Oh, really? Because in most states, the public's interest in the deaths of public figures are cause for performing autopsies.

I already posted a link to Georgia's laws, but my own state considers the public's interest, as well. Link

If Texas does not, well that just raises more red flags, IMO.

originally posted by: Willtell

originally posted by: UnBreakable

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Willtell

This site should always delve into the possibility of foul play with prominent figures.

Is what is going on here delving?
Or just speculation in lieu of any actual evidence and ignoring the fact that the Justice was an elderly gentleman who was somewhat overweight?

Don't let obvious facts get in the way of a conspiracy theory.

This is the way they would do it

You mean waiting for thirty years till a guy reaches 79 years old and dying from natural causes?

a reply to: texasgirl

The hardest to spot, would be an injection into a pre-existing orifice, although that would be tricky to pull off unless your target was already sedated all to hell anyway.

But a needle would be unnecessary. There are contact poisons which can be absorbed through the skin, you could go aerosolised, or drop a little something into some food, some kind of fast acting compound that breaks down really quickly, to avoid leaving obvious forensic traces... Without wishing to promote bleakness, there are an awful lot of ways to kill a person with chemistry.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: 123143

So you don't want to talk about the actual topic...
Strange.

I've been TRYING to discuss WHY an autopsy is not only recommended, but NECESSARY.

I've come up against the brick wall of ignorance about how our government functions.

I'm not a teacher for a reason.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: IAMTAT

So secret that within days of his name being in the public it is already surfaced?

Secret until it was exposed in 2013.
The guy's name has been "in the public" for many years...he is a very successful businessman.

a reply to: NewzNose

No, but if something were slipped into his food or drink would: Make someone not feel good and want to leave a party early, make someone easier to subdue, which would account for his pajamas being unwrinkled. But since there will be no autopsy guess we'll never know. This whole thing stinks big time.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

In general, if a reasonable and probable cause of
death can be deduced from the decedent’s medical history, learning the circumstances
surrounding death, and performing an external examination of the body, an autopsy may not be
necessary.

And again it says this.
Also, what it says about public intrest.

However, the public interest may require an autopsy being performed when deaths involve
homicide, an inmate who dies in police custody or incarceration, an individual whose death is
suspicious, or deaths suspected to be due to injury of any type. Such deaths often result in legal
proceedings which are facilitated by having well-documented postmortem information available
only from a State Medical Examiner

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: MotherMayEye
An autopsy should be performed on every public official who dies in office?
Perhaps there should be a law to that effect.

I don't think that's unreasonable when the cause of death and underlying cause(s) is not immediately known.

While YOU might not be aware of the underlying causes, the Justice of the Peace, the US Marshalls that responded, Justice Scalia's personal Physician and Justice Scalia's family apparently are...

Thus the Justice of the Peace saying she wanted to speak to the family Physician first before declaring it Natural Causes, despite the US Marshalls on the scene saying they found no evidence of foul play.

And the family Physician finding it relevant to explain that Justice Scalia had seen him both on Wed. and Thursday last week and received an MRI and suffered from significant "Health Issues"..

And thus Justice Scalia's family finding no reason to question that he died from natural causes and making "clear" that they did not want an autopsy.

While YOU might not be aware of the "underlying causes"...that does not mean they are not known.

The Justice of the Peace also explained that she would amend the Death Certificate once she had received the full medical files from the family Physician..so we will know within a week...but apparently whatever it was the family Physician shared, it was compelling.

Correct. The cause of death was not immediately known. And an amended death certificate proves that.

More about Judge "Cinderela" Guevara coming out now....

Judge Cinderela Guevara: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know

Judge Cinderela Guevara, also known as Cindy Rice Guevara, is the judge who announced Justice Antonin Scalia’s cause of death without seeing his body or ordering an autopsy. Who is Judge Guevara? Why did she decide an autopsy wasn’t necessary? Has she done anything like this before? Guevara was a justice of the peace for 25 years before being elected as Presidio County’s first female county judge. One of her past cause of death rulings for a different case also generated quite a bit of controversy.

Here’s what you need to know.

anybody finding anything "coincidental" or "ironic" about her middle name "Cinderela" ??

a reply to: 123143

No you haven't, you have just said that if the public wants it then the gov has to do it. And the only example you gave was about charges from the state and not even that is correct all the time.

Your long and short of it has been that even tho both the family, they are part of the public btw, and the authorities involved decided it was not need that since some people want it then the gov has to do it.
Please show me the civics lesson that shows that.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: MotherMayEye

In general, if a reasonable and probable cause of
death can be deduced from the decedent’s medical history, learning the circumstances
surrounding death, and performing an external examination of the body, an autopsy may not be
necessary.

And again it says this.
Also, what it says about public intrest.

However, the public interest may require an autopsy being performed when deaths involve
homicide, an inmate who dies in police custody or incarceration, an individual whose death is
suspicious, or deaths suspected to be due to injury of any type. Such deaths often result in legal
proceedings which are facilitated by having well-documented postmortem information available
only from a State Medical Examiner

You must have missed this section:

Autopsy is recommended in the following situations:
12. Death in any case the coroner determines necessary to ascertain cause and manner of death, or to collect evidence: Examples:
J. Deaths of famous people or public figures

Such deaths often result in legal 
proceedings which are facilitated by having well-documented postmortem information available only from a State Medical Examiner.

Wisdom says you autopsy. Period.