Obama urges Russia to stop bombing 'moderate' rebels in Syria

a reply to: Nikola014

By your "logic" everyone else is responsible for creating ISIS but the precious US and their bff's Saudi Arabia and Qatar...?

I'm using exactly the same logic that people use to prove that the United States created ISIS. ISIS thrives on chaos. Assad is the leader of Syria, and if his government cannot prevent chaos, it is responsible for creating the conditions for ISIS to thrive.

When are you going to wake up man.

Hey, you're the one buying the Official Story, hook, line, and sinker.

a reply to: DJW001

Russia is being sanctioned, remember

laughable
Europe is planning to ease the laughable sanctions pretty soon.The sanctions dont really have an impact compared to embargo that Americans placed on Cuba.

Europe has being impacted by the sanctions alot more. And it shows in the stocks.

But just go on relying on RT for your "news."

Why should i watch CNN or the Pedo BBC news for my news? whom were by the way if i remember correctly the cheerleaders of the Libyan intervention and Iraqi war you would think if news were on the side of the people they would do something at least wise.

As for RussiaToday. RussiaToday is the only news network reporting the losses made agaisnt the Saudis in Yemen.

a reply to: DJW001

You still haven't tried to debunk the Turkish connection to ISIS oil nice to know that.

originally posted by: WeRpeons
a reply to: TaleDawn

They're not moderate rebels their terrorists. If Saudi Arabia who prescribes to Sharia Law are coming to the defense of "moderate rebels" in Syria, you know they're terrorists.

No one with any knowledge of ME politics can argue
with you on that!

Saudi Storm troopers to the rescue!

Wasn't that debacle in Libya a plan to get weapons into the hands of the moderate rebels in Syria?

a reply to: Discotech

originally posted by: TaleDawn

You still haven't tried to debunk the Turkish connection to ISIS oil nice to know that.

It's well known that oil controlled by ISIS and sold off through criminal gangs has gone into Turkey via the porous border. And Iraq, Iran, Assad, Jordan etc.

Maybe Putin should take Obama's advice. Russian jets are implicated in the bombing of hospitals an other civilian centres. Russia suggest a ceasefire, but carry on the killing. 'nuff said.

You say it so well a reply to: Discotech

originally posted by: TaleDawn
a reply to: DJW001

You still haven't tried to debunk the Turkish connection to ISIS oil nice to know that.

Turks consume 600.000 barrells of oil everday .

Syria produces 40.000 barrells per day approx.

To carry all of Syria's oil to Turkey , you would need a convoy of 2000 trucks , making a round trip of few hundred miles , everday.

No one has shown a drone or satellite footage of such convoy travelling back ond forth between Syria - Turkey.

There may have been the odd smuggled oil coming thru Turkish border but this is in no way an evidence of Turkish Government's involvement .

If there really was a case of government involvement ; wouldn't the Russians have satellite pictures of this alleged convoy of 2000 trucks , day in day out ?

a reply to: 23432

No one has shown a drone or satellite footage of such convoy travelling back ond forth between Syria - Turkey.

The Russians already did taken a drone footage of the Turkish oil trucks moving from Syria to Turkey. Russia was bombing these oil trucks the moment they started the air intervention.

Kurds provided the Russians with the Intel.

wouldn't the Russians have satellite pictures of this alleged convoy of 2000 trucks , day in day out ?

Kurds and those in the area already informed Russia of trucks moving into Turkey.

a reply to: 23432

Now of course if you go and google.

Is Turkey Really Benefiting From Oil Trade With ISIS?

Analysts say claims by Russian President Vladimir Putin don't hold water

Western News media quickly defends Turkey for specif reasons.

Erdogan has vociferously denied the claims, saying he would resign if Russia backed up its claims with proof. But Russia’s accusations aren’t the first time Turkey has been cited as a destination for crude oil sold by ISIS. An October report by AP claimed that ISIS is extracting about 30,000 barrels of crude oil per day from Syria, much of which ends up in Turkey.

Who are the Analysts?

Fawaz Gerges, Professor of International Relations in the London School of Economics and Political Science, agrees that the claims amount to a conspiracy theory. “I think it would be very misleading to say there is an unholy alliance with Turkey and the Islamic State,” he says.

Why the same people and same supporters of the Libyan intervention! and Pro austrey Professors! what this Professor of International Relations in the London School of Economics and Political Science forget to mention is that the Turkish president again is the chair and head of the Oil Turkish energy president.

Russia releases fresh footage of air strikes in Syria claiming to hit Isis oil targets

originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: TaleDawn
a reply to: DJW001

You still haven't tried to debunk the Turkish connection to ISIS oil nice to know that.

Turks consume 600.000 barrells of oil everday .

Syria produces 40.000 barrells per day approx.

To carry all of Syria's oil to Turkey , you would need a convoy of 2000 trucks , making a round trip of few hundred miles , everday.

To require that many trucks; they would all have to be rather small...say the size of a pick-up truck and be carrying only about 1000 gallons each.

More realistically; say around 400 medium sized trucks ... carrying around 5000 gallons each.

The fact that you haven't seen any satellite or drone images is wholly irrelevant. And, since these 400 trucks only have to make one trip per day also means that there might be much to see beyond normal traffic. I'm thinking of how many large truck there are, right now (at his minute) transporting fuel around the Dallas/Ft. Worth area...wanna taka a bet that it exceeds what those 40, 000 barrels from Syria?

Seriously man,40,000 barrels is only a couple million gallons...not really very much...easy to transport and hide.

originally posted by: TaleDawn
a reply to: 23432

No one has shown a drone or satellite footage of such convoy travelling back ond forth between Syria - Turkey.

The Russians already did taken a drone footage of the Turkish oil trucks moving from Syria to Turkey. Russia was bombing these oil trucks the moment they started the air intervention.

Kurds provided the Russians with the Intel.

wouldn't the Russians have satellite pictures of this alleged convoy of 2000 trucks , day in day out ?

Kurds and those in the area already informed Russia of trucks moving into Turkey.

Russian footage provides an incident of trucks being bombed . In the Court of Law , one has to prove the ownership of oil in those trucks. Besides , if you look at the numbers of oil consumed by Turks ; it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever for Turks to covertly organise oil smuggling.

One more thing , the area in question has always been a smugglers paradise ; predominantly populated by Turkish Kurds who hold a Cartel like power over the area and the border with Syria .

The evidence one has points to a number of trucks being bombed by Russian planes . It doesn't prove involvement of Turkish Government .

As for the intelligence that is provided by terrorist organisation of PYD/YPG/PKK Kurds ; well Russians set these terror organisations way back in the 70's and they have become the poster boys for supposed " Good Guys " of the middle east.
Nothing could be further from the truth ; these particular Group of Kurds are not what you think they are ; they are as bad as DAESH / ISIS .

Have you any idea how many suicide bombers these group of Kurds has carried out ?

How about kidnapping , drug trafficking , torture of opponents etc , etc .

Of course in Asad's Syria , pre-war the Kurds were regarded as subhuman by Asad's regime , their existence was not even acknowledged by state .

To sum up ; you believe in a words of a terrorist organisation ; populated by illiterate Syrian Kurds but controlled by Syrian Armenians pretending to be Kurds .

To further clarify ; Turks get oil smuggled from almost all of their borders because the gasoline & diesel is insanely expensive in Turkey.
For example , the Georgian border as well as Iranian border has their own smuggling operations , ongoing as we speak.

I am not saying that there weren't oil being smuggled into Turkey by smugglers ; it would be silly to claim that .

It is equally silly to claim that Turkish Government is behind smuggling rings .

Turkish Kurds traditionally control the interior ministery and they also control the borders too .

Turkish Kurds are also the traditional smugglers .


This oil issue is a Strawman , nothing more .

originally posted by: TaleDawn
a reply to: DJW001

You still haven't tried to debunk the Turkish connection to ISIS oil nice to know that.

I don't deny that the oil is being smuggled through Turkey, and that there is some collusion with the Erdogan family. You have not even begun to debunk the Russian connection.

They might as well send Chris Crocker over there...

He'd have far more credibility.

originally posted by: DJW001
Of course, this whole operation is being conducted by Russian and Turkish mafias, coordinated by the FSB.

Show me your proof of this bold claim.

Meanwhile, Turkey and Saudi Arabia are amassing troops on the border, no doubt preparing on a full scale invasion of Syria

www.theguardian.com...

**Edit**

If the FSB were really in cahoots with Turkey, then why would they be making this claim?;

Russia says its strikes reduce oil smuggling to Turkey.

It's no secret that the Russian economy is in trouble thanks once again to US trouble making. If the FSB were behind this smuggling operation and able to make money out of it, why would the spend Russian money to stop Russian income? Besides, Russia has all the oil and gas it needs at home.

a reply to: DJW001

You have not even begun to debunk the Russian connection.

Why should i debunk when your believed Western News Media outlets have failed to do same? the Russian generals even asked the western news media outlets.

If they want to prove that Russia is so wrong about the oil being smuggled into Turkey why dont they just go near the border in Turkey?
Oh yeah i forget Turkey's Democratic government wouldn't allow journalists near such a checkpoint. There is no evidence that Russia is paying oil from ISIS. Or whatever how you want to call them.


Unless your the Arab Gulf States news media panicking over your losses in the war.

originally posted by: TaleDawn


If they want to prove that Russia is so wrong about the oil being smuggled into Turkey why dont they just go near the border in Turkey?
Oh yeah i forget Turkey's Democratic government wouldn't allow journalists near such a checkpoint.

Who doesn't go anywhere to what border ?

Here are some reporters doing their job at Turkish - Syria border ;

Here is a youtube page full of reports from border ; www.youtube.com...



here is another one ;




Reporters are allowed to visit border with Syria , I have no idea how you come to the conclusion that they aren't ?

Simple Google search yields regular and lots of evidence of reporting from border .

Turkish involvement with any smuggled oil is a Strawman argument , set up by Russians .

a reply to: 23432

Not without the permission of Erdoğan and journalists cant go in recent areas of the borders, dont try to paint Erdoğan as a Saint or a demcartic figure.

yields regular and lots of evidence of reporting from border .

Yeah sure.. With Turkish forces watching the journalists from a distance.

originally posted by: TaleDawn
a reply to: 23432

Not without the permission of Erdoğan and journalists cant go in recent areas of the borders, dont try to paint Erdoğan as a Saint or a demcartic figure.

yields regular and lots of evidence of reporting from border .

Yeah sure.. With Turkish forces watching the journalists from a distance.

Erdogan might not be saint to you but he is clearly an elected leader with % 50 of the votes .

I have no trouble admitting to Erdogan's idiocies when he acts like an idiot .

Turkish - Syria border had almost 2.5 million refugees since the beginning of civil war in Syria ; therefore it is rather normal to have security forces at the border .