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I am not the topic. The majority of your post illegitimately states nothing more than your opinions about me (as usual).
originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: Gryphon66
I am not the topic. The majority of your post illegitimately states nothing more than your opinions about me (as usual).
The post has nothing to do with you other than ego telling you it does.....the poster was referring to a mindset that many people have, it is possible that is your mindset as apparently it offended you
So I think he would say the ranchers selfish view for their own gain its the governments job to stay above that.
originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: dragonridr
So I think he would say the ranchers selfish view for their own gain its the governments job to stay above that.
I must be way off here but do the ranchers not have cattle that is sold for public consumption ? Isnt this how they make their living by selling their livestock ?...
What happens when there are no more ranchers ?...i think we end up here on an even larger scale..
originally posted by: dragonridr
The only reason cattle could be raised there was the federal government spending money by planting so the ranchers could graze tgseit cattle. When they started charging for it they didn't like that. They prefer the government tax payers to help fatten up their cows so they can make money.
"Of liberty I would say that, in the whole plenitude of its extent, it is unobstructed action according to our will. But rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law,' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual." --Thomas Jefferson to Isaac H. Tiffany, 1819.
"It is a moot question whether the origin of any kind of property is derived from nature at all... It is agreed by those who have seriously considered the subject that no individual has, of natural right, a separate property in an acre of land, for instance. By an universal law, indeed, whatever, whether fixed or movable, belongs to all men equally and in common is the property for the moment of him who occupies it; but when he relinquishes the occupation, the property goes with it. Stable ownership is the gift of social law, and is given late in the progress of society." --Thomas Jefferson to Isaac McPherson, 1813. ME 13:333
"A right of property in moveable things is admitted before the establishment of government. A separate property in lands, not till after that establishment. The right to moveables is acknowledged by all the hordes of Indians surrounding us. Yet by no one of them has a separate property in lands been yielded to individuals. He who plants a field keeps possession till he has gathered the produce, after which one has as good a right as another to occupy it. Government must be established and laws provided, before lands can be separately appropriated, and their owner protected in his possession. Till then, the property is in the body of the nation, and they, or their chief as trustee, must grant them to individuals, and determine the conditions of the grant." --Thomas Jefferson: Batture at New Orleans, 1812. ME 18:45
"The laws of civil society, indeed, for the encouragement of industry, give the property of the parent to his family on his death, and in most civilized countries permit him even to give it, by testament, to whom he pleases." --Thomas Jefferson to Thomas Earle, 1823. ME 15:470
originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: AngryCymraeg
So many emotions yet so little substance!
Can't attack the argument so immediately attack the individual!
"We are bound, you, I, and every one to make common cause, even with error itself, to maintain the common right of freedom of conscience." --Thomas Jefferson to Edward Dowse, 1803.
"It behooves every man who values liberty of conscience for himself, to resist invasions of it in the case of others; or their case may, by change of circumstances, become his own. It behooves him, too, in his own case, to give no example of concession, betraying the common right of independent opinion, by answering questions of faith, which the laws have left between God and himself." --Thomas Jefferson to Benjamin Rush, 1803.
originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: AngryCymraeg
This tired argument of what the locals want and link the video with the racist comment.
originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: AngryCymraeg
I think local want the FBI to stop using their town as home base.
Some issues are bigger than what a small town wants and the government owning more than half of the Midwest is a big deal.
I'm sorry you don't see it that way.
"A strict observation of the written laws is doubtless one of the high duties of a good citizen, but it is not the highest. The laws of necessity, of self-preservation, of saving our country when in danger, are of higher obligation. To lose our country by a scrupulous adherence to written law, would be to lost the law itself, with life, liberty, property, and all those who are enjoying them with us; thus absurdly sacrificing the end to the means." --Thomas Jefferson to John Colvin, 1810.