Why to take UFOs seriously, in 10 minutes

originally posted by: BiffWellington
To make a long story short, and as the speaker in this video succinctly notes, public statements by government and military officials on the topic of UFOs have frequently stood in sharp contrast to what has been said behind-the-scenes.

We can all take it more seriously the minute somebody decides to move things from behind-the-scenes to out in the open -- as long as they provide adequate hard, indisputable proof, just like everybody else has to. But until then, it's still just a lot of unsubstantiated stories and opinions.

a reply to: bottleslingguy

There was a time when humans collaborated more than followed an insane strong man.

We've evolved to be lazy and dependant on the insane fringe that we allow to rule us.

You can read history and see it.

Kev

originally posted by: Urantia1111
a reply to: Debunkology

You're a complete and utter tosser.

Richard Dolan is one of the most accomplished authors and researchers on the subject.

You would do well to watch fewer sophomoric comedians and open one of his books so you can be slightly less of an absolute wanker.

Wow. I didn't realise you was his biggest fan. I mean, you must have some type of personal investment into this “Richard Dolan” guy for me to extract such an over-the-top reaction, from simply posting a clip on youtube of an actor that looks like him.

If anyone is a “tosser” or “absolute wanker” it is posters who personally attack other posters over the internet in what was just a light hearted joke.

a reply to: BiffWellington

Now this is going to sound nuts.. But myself and two freinds have seen a UFO take off out of some local woods, fly along our close horizon on a clear night, fly over our head silently low and witness this thing fly off into the distance out of our view range.. and the crazy bit is we saw something drop from it to the ground, looked like a shooting star came directly from it perpendicular to the ground.

Edit: Yes, I can describe this event in much more detail if anyone wanted.. it is as fresh in memory as it was when it happened several years ago.

originally posted by: L.A.B
a reply to: BiffWellington



Now this is going to sound nuts.. But myself and two freinds have seen a UFO take off out of some local woods, fly along our close horizon on a clear night, fly over our head silently low and witness this thing fly off into the distance out of our view range.. and the crazy bit is we saw something drop from it to the ground, looked like a shooting star came directly from it perpendicular to the ground.

Edit: Yes, I can describe this event in much more detail if anyone wanted.. it is as fresh in memory as it was when it happened several years ago.

Doesn't sound nuts at all. It's happened many times to many people. Most people don't want to say anything about it because they're afraid people are going to think they sound nuts.

Thanks for telling us. Can you describe what the thing looked like?

originally posted by: Blue Shift

originally posted by: BiffWellington
To make a long story short, and as the speaker in this video succinctly notes, public statements by government and military officials on the topic of UFOs have frequently stood in sharp contrast to what has been said behind-the-scenes.

We can all take it more seriously the minute somebody decides to move things from behind-the-scenes to out in the open -- as long as they provide adequate hard, indisputable proof, just like everybody else has to. But until then, it's still just a lot of unsubstantiated stories and opinions.

Only for those who have never seen one in action themselves. For people who have seen them real close, been affected by them, or any number of inexplicable sightings that were so bizarre to see, it probably doesn't matter anymore. Proof is plain as day for those people me included.

originally posted by: Blue Shift

originally posted by: BiffWellington
To make a long story short, and as the speaker in this video succinctly notes, public statements by government and military officials on the topic of UFOs have frequently stood in sharp contrast to what has been said behind-the-scenes.

We can all take it more seriously the minute somebody decides to move things from behind-the-scenes to out in the open -- as long as they provide adequate hard, indisputable proof, just like everybody else has to. But until then, it's still just a lot of unsubstantiated stories and opinions.

The sad thing is most UFOs are done and over in less than a minute, what kind of proof do you really expect to have from such sightings? The Hangar1/MUFON show good job of showing this.

The few really good sightings like the Portage county police chase come down to how close you like your dots connected. The more skeptical minded will go the venus/meteor route, the believers will go the UFO route, and some will be left undecided. Just depends on how your wired. Personally I think it is an excellent ET case.

Ultimately the govt side of it is a wash, we cant even bring our debt under control, much less demand an explanation for Goldwater's treatm ent in investigating the UFO material. Our apathy is mighty. Hopefully conversations like Goldwater's leaves one more than a little suspicious though.

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: BiffWellington

Thanks for this - I respect Mr Dolan very much and the accounts to which he refers are a testament to the para-normal nature of the UFO phenomenon. In my opinion, there is absolutely no doubt that seemingly intelligently controlled unidentified objects traversing, penetrating, breaching the planets atmosphere are real. Whether they have a terrestrial or extraterrestrial origin is the real question and in either case, who or what is controlling them.

Not a (extra)terrestrial phenomena, it's an inter-dimensional one.

a reply to: BiffWellington

Well here is my orignial post i made in 2011, but nobody ever gave me any feedback back then.. I've been a long time lurker

Edit: Where I say the object looking like a Chinese lantern.. to me it really didn't, it looked like a hazy light with what I can only describe as "heat effects" obscuring the light as it rose out of some woods in the distance.. and when I say rose, I mean I could tell it was not travelling towards us from the horizon!

Hey this is my first post so cut me some slack

The last day of August 2010 me and three other friends were having a 'poker night', anywho things got a little low later on and 3 of us decided to go for a midnight walk out of boredom (the other stayed behind). We walked a country path local to our area at the foot of a big hill that we call the Nab. The path leads over a ford with a footbridge from which you can clearly look out to the countryside (i can give more specific demographic locations if need be). We decided to stop on this bridge for a while and then head back. As we did staring out towards the hill a dim object on the left of us in the sky rose up in the distance, we disregarded it as a lantern - as it looked exactly like one and people seem to launch those things all the time. I personally was fascinated with the object and continued watching it rise (slowly). The other two were not paying attention and the object seemed to rise, dither and fade out...however this is where i was extremely surprised.

The object changed course, going from a wavering pattern that rose (as if it was coming from the horizon to a closer perspective) and it started to travel towards the hill in a straight motion. I tried to get their attention and they weren't interested, at this point the object in question had become bright (but not growing in any size) just a solid light, which i can only describe as looking like a dim star (but obviously bigger). When this happened they started to notice and we watched this object...

It came right across the hill (which is the area of Anglezarke/Rivington, Chorley, UK) the direction it was moving across the hill is south, which means it rose from southeast our position. It came to more or less central of the nab, it looked as though it was over or just behind on the other side. Then it started to alter its course again - in our direction (slightly to the right of us, which would be northwest, it wasn't heading directly for us). At this point we were jaw-dropped and trying to record it on our phones and what not but couldn't get a video which included a visible image of the object due to lighting and low quality cameras.

As the object moved in our direction it became apparent to me that it was about the same height as a low-flying aircraft and so this was one of our first debunks, a low air craft with a spotlight, sounds simple enough right? Nope! no noise, no flashing lights on wing tips or anything to indicate a civilian craft! So back to the event...it was moving towards us and the light, to our surprise, split into two! Equal size, shape brightness, we were dumbstruck. It carried on its coarse and was at an angle to us where if it was a plane we would be able to see the shape (exempt the darkness). These lights were in tandem, side-by-side and seemed to be about a wingspan apart from where we were standing.

We began to think perhaps this was a covert military craft and what we could see were the afterburners, but this wouldn't explain why it rose and split into two - i.e. we could see the lights front and back! The object altered coarse one more time flying off into the distance of the west over towards Bolton. As we watched it fly off into the distance...and get this...to add icing to the cake it seemed as though some material/another object left the object in question. This was quick and happened in mere milliseconds. At first i didn't say anything and then we were like..."did you see that?" which confirmed we were all paying CLOSE attention (lol). When the material fell it looked like a very faint falling star (dimmer than the object) and appeared to drop directly vertical from the object.

And there you have it, this is the first time anyone else apart from the guy who was back at the house and my dad has been told this in such detail. Like i say its my first post and im sorry it is lengthy but i wanted to include all details as i remember them, im open to questions and im still in close contact with my friends who were present. This has just been niggling my head ever since and finally i want some ATS answers!

I have had an account since '08 and have sat here without one since about mid '07 so, thanks for your time people, i hope you ponder this one good

Original Post

Take it in and feel freeto ask any questions. I'd be more than happy to clarify or elaborate on anything

originally posted by: BeefNoMeat

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: BiffWellington

Whether they have a terrestrial or extraterrestrial origin is the real question and in either case, who or what is controlling them.

This. The idea all of 'UFO' sightings are of extraterrestrial origin seems to be most's inclination. The more I've studied/read on the 'UFO' phenomenon, the more a terrestrial origin seems the most likely. My two cents.

Based on my personal experiences, it is IMPOSSIBLE that it is wholly terrestrial in origin. I am not going to go into details. If it IS of terrestrial origin, then everything we think of as reality is a lie. The question is, why are we being lied to and by whom?

Ditto. For many of us, their reality is no longer a question. It is the nature of their reality that we need to determine. The problem is that many are afraid to come forward with details of their experiences/sightings because we do not know what we are going up against. It is not even a question of being labeled "nuts." Most of us don't care.

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: Blue Shift

originally posted by: BiffWellington
To make a long story short, and as the speaker in this video succinctly notes, public statements by government and military officials on the topic of UFOs have frequently stood in sharp contrast to what has been said behind-the-scenes.

We can all take it more seriously the minute somebody decides to move things from behind-the-scenes to out in the open -- as long as they provide adequate hard, indisputable proof, just like everybody else has to. But until then, it's still just a lot of unsubstantiated stories and opinions.

Only for those who have never seen one in action themselves. For people who have seen them real close, been affected by them, or any number of inexplicable sightings that were so bizarre to see, it probably doesn't matter anymore. Proof is plain as day for those people me included.

I'm not saying there's only one type of entity that comes here, nor am I saying there's never been an entity from another star system; however the one's most people see, are from here. The best way I can explain it, is that it's something kind of like dark matter, in that we can't see it, and it can pass right through us.
I'm not sure if you'd call it a parallel universe, or parallel space dimensions, or another dimension altogether, or even another universe that somehow overlays our universe; but there are beings that come from there/here.
I know this sounds crazy, but they can see us more often than we see them; to the average being from there, we are seen as spirits. Perhaps there's a cover up there too, as to what humans are.
It's impossible that someone else doesn't know about this. I believe there's a small group of people in the know. If the group were larger, info would leak.
It's not that there's some big sinister cover up, but it's that humans just aren't ready for the truth. I'm sorry, but it's nothing like anyone imagined. It's completely bizarre, and would send some people crazy. Another big concern though is religion. These entities/beings/aliens would be seen as demons or jinns.
If you want to know more, they do come into our reality. I guess they're the ones who watch over military bases, and can disable nukes. The reason being, is that humans are important to them, but not because of some fantasy mystical reason - we're not some special being destined for something more - yet the purpose is also not sinister. Part of the reason the public cannot know, is because of the reason why humans are needed for them - there are not many people who could mentally deal with what is really happening.

This all sounds crazy, and that's a good thing.

a reply to: BiffWellington

Classic clip. S&F!

Why the deception? Why the secrecy? Why have government bodies had to back-pedal so many times regarding their statements on UFOs?

We should ask the Secret Team. L. Fletcher Prouty was on to something...



ATS thread: www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: Baddogma

I guess that should be qualified by, possibly nobody but the member here who wrote about the Knights of Relearned Knowledge... our own "Jetson's dog."

That one still has me scratching my head.

Link to that, please?

Thanks,

AB

a reply to: Jason005

Ets are real, very real. Are us humans in conflict with them or could face any attacks from them? not really, most of the times is conflicts between aliens (like the roswell crash) not with humans.

The most common "ET" us humans see's are Greys, between alien races Greys are androids, organic androids that works for the real Extraterrestrials, thats why in many unnoficial reports are named EBE's, they are not call Alien or other word use. Greys are manufactered, like us humans manufacter cars, they come in different specs and sizes for different kind of uses. Greys are not "alive" like humans, they dont posses a soul so to speak like us humans. That doesnt mean they cant enjoy things or learn stuff.

About richard dolan i could say he is a good researcher but the incident with maussan and the slides really put him in a bad spot today, that doesnt mean that his entire work from past years is bad, its actually very good but after the slides i would put a grain of salt on his next works.

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
Only for those who have never seen one in action themselves. For people who have seen them real close, been affected by them, or any number of inexplicable sightings that were so bizarre to see, it probably doesn't matter anymore. Proof is plain as day for those people me included.

Fine for you. You're lucky. But what about folks like me? Unless you provide me with good, solid proof that doesn't require any kind of special experience, I'm always (and reasonably) going to assume that you were mistaken, ignorant, delusional or outright lying about what you saw and how you chose to interpret it.

That's the way objective proof works. I've never seen the Eiffel Tower in Paris, either, but there is enough evidence around for me to be pretty sure that it exists. Just provide me with that level of evidence. Is that too much to ask?

Just thought I would add this here instead of making a whole new thread about it..

While I cant find a actual link showing this is true, I did get a email suggesting that Sgt. Robert Dean has passed away. Another character with many stories. How true they are or were I have no idea. Regardless, he is one of the more outstanding people in the field of ufo disclosure. I personally have enjoyed listening to him and if I recall correctly, I'm pretty sure he spoke at this same panel hearing.

I think this is one of his last speaking engagements covering the leaked Russian UFO footage back in 2015. Below the video I added what I received in my email.


For some reason I cant get this to quote from a external source, so I will quote what I received in my mail. Hopefully I'm not doing anything wrong, if so I apologize in advance. I do know he spent a lot of time with the ECETI group so I'm assuming it may well be true.

"
Bob Dean, RIP

I am not sure how to start this letter. I held Bob in the highest regards. He was like the grandfather of ufology. He was not afraid to speak from the heart, which included the spiritual side of contact. This was much to the dismay of most in the field. The Irish side of me wants to have a wake, a big party to celebrate his passing. I am sure he is having a grand old time true to his nature in the heavens. Imagine seeing first hand everything he talked about. Then I think about the role he played here on Earth. He told me in the early 90’s no matter what tell the truth and stick to your guns. Don’t embellish anything. Since then I have done my best to operate from impeccable integrity in this crazy mixed up world. He was a role model for many. Having him at ECETI was an honor. He said give me a glass of whiskey and a cigar and I will tell you everything. He made good on his promise a couple nights around the campfire during skywatches to the delight of many.

I wish his role model was respected and honored within the rest of the ufo community. If it was we would already have mass contact. If there was one thing I would ask in his passing is to say a prayer for those left behind, his family, friends and those who miss him. The other thing I would like to ask is that we walk in honor, serve the greater good as he did set aside our egos and focus on what is really important. Contact is the goal, service to humanity and the Earth is the path. Now is the time to fulfill the prophecies. The Star Nations are returning and I am sure he is with them on what ever level his soul took him. I am sure he is on the highest levels. Probably with a cigar and a glass of whiskey sitting around a cloud talking about his escapades on Earth. We love you Bob, sending you all the love, joy and bliss we can to propel you on your journey.
Be well,
James Gilliland and the ECETI crew
www.eceti.org
"
Sorry forgot to add my thoughts on this thread. I can never seem to wrap my head around how many people will say, "I'll believe it when I see it." Yet that is something that keeps happening on a continual bases. People keep seeing it or seeing something and more often than not, they were the same skeptics to begin with and now they believe, but no one believes them. What a vicious circle we run in. Really makes no sense.
Great thread OP

originally posted by: 111DPKING111
The sad thing is most UFOs are done and over in less than a minute, what kind of proof do you really expect to have from such sightings?

Same thing I always want. If it's an "alien" (whatever that means) thing, I simply want (in order of importance):

1. Multiple images of the same flying/landing thing from different points of view by different people -- none of whom are anonymous.
2. A physical object of some kind that doesn't "disappear," linked via a chain of evidence to the thing. An actual "alien" would be great.
3. Multiple independent experts, none with a dog in the fight, who all agree that the object is "alien."
4. Persons of authority -- President, Pope, scientists including noted skeptics -- who all agree with the experts.
5. The ability for me to actually go an see and experience it myself. "Put my tongue on it" if necessary.

I'll settle for stuff up to #4, if that's all I get. But at least that.

And if you believe this is somehow "too much to ask," then that is your opinion, and it's my opinion that you are a gullible tool asking for way too little to be shown and proven to you something as extraordinary as an actual, honest-to-goodness, no foolin' thing/alien from another planet/reality.

originally posted by: AlexDJ
Ets are real, very real.

Sez you.