Donald Trump is right about waterboarding!

a reply to: seagull

That is your prerogative, of course. I just have trouble with it being used in conjunction with "we're the good guys!" press releases/speeches. The hypocrisy is rather obvious.

The hypocrisy is rather obvious for reasons already stated under TWO democrat administrations. 'Torture' only became a political issue recently.

History is full of gray like that... Did you think I'd disagree? I just have issues with the hypocrisy of claiming moral high ground while utilizing methods that are dubious to say the least.

Last time I checked neither Trump or Bush critics had the moral high ground.

Not by becoming them, that seems obvious to me. Other than that? Your guess is as good as mine.

Unless Trump or Bush went around marrying little girls, and keep their wives bare foot, and pregnant. Went around stoning people to death because of 'adultery', and made them have to have 5 witness to prove rape.

Niether Trump or Bush or this country is remotely close to the likes of ISIS or any two bit islamofascist.

This sort of thing plays right into the hands of the recruiters of ISIS, and other organizations looking for angry youngsters.

That's not hard to do. Basically the only thing a westerner/American has to do is breathe, or believe in that SEPARATION of church and state.

People are going to have different opinions on the subject.

I guess people love rehashing a decade old argument.

a reply to: neoholographic

Who are these people that have no issue with the drone strikes that don't condone waterboarding?

Seems like you are creating your own argument there.

Just waterboard Trump until he says waterboarding is wrong. Maybe they could give odds at his casino. I give him less than 30 min.

originally posted by: neo96

originally posted by: amazing
a reply to: neo96

how about this ...Senate finds CIA torture was largely ineffective

www.nbcnews.com...

and this...study shows torture is ineffective

www.livescience.com...

and this former FBI interrogator on the ineffectiveness of torture

www.outsidethebeltway.com...

There internet is full of article, research paper and testimony by people actually in the interrogation business on why torture is ineffective, but by all means, listen to Rush and Savage.

They sure didn't have a problem with it under Clinton,Kennedy, and Johnson.

'Now' they do.

The current policy traces its roots to the administration of former President Bill Clinton.

The current policy traces its roots to the administration of former President Bill Clinton.

www.aclu.org...

Torture was ok. We just did a 'little' bit of it!

Although under Johnson thanks to Laos and Cambodia 'we' were doing quite a hell of a lot of it.

Had enough of the selective outrage.

GREAT POINTS!!

It's just like with Drones.

Bush was called everything but a child of God by Democrats because of things like drones. Code Pink was marching and protesting with fake blood on their shirts.

Obama has increased drone strikes that kill innocent children and the same Democrats are mostly silent. HYPOCRITES!!

a reply to: neoholographic

The sad part being, the people in the US won't come to their collective senses until those dead babies are American. That is sad! It almost seems that some have a false sense of well being. They do not understand the eminent danger of the insurgency taking place. They are offended even by the thought of our military doing their job.

OH snap neo is back boys

torture shouldn't be american policy, its pretty simple. maybe we should torture any muslim with a suspicious look, just in case they know anything. doesn't matter which president, doesn't matter which side, torture brings us down to their level.

torture today, what's next tomorrow? torturing americans? Guantanamo, waterboarding, trump is moving backwards.

its not US policy to kill children with drones, we dont go collecting intelligence to bomb children, it's called collateral. it's sad when it happens, but if your'e going to start criticising administrations of collateral damage, start with Hiroshima.


Noam Chomsky argued this with Sam harris, and frankly, sam kicked him in the bum for not understanding intentions of actions.

a reply to: buddah6
Drone strikes and water boarding are two separate issues. It is not that the membership of ATS is not against drones (I'm sure many are), it is that it needs to be recognized that waterboarding is torture. Why are so many arguing as if it is either this or this rather than both should be ended.

Please use existing thread.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Closed.

originally posted by: neo96

originally posted by: amazing
a reply to: neo96

how about this ...Senate finds CIA torture was largely ineffective

www.nbcnews.com...

and this...study shows torture is ineffective

www.livescience.com...

and this former FBI interrogator on the ineffectiveness of torture

www.outsidethebeltway.com...

There internet is full of article, research paper and testimony by people actually in the interrogation business on why torture is ineffective, but by all means, listen to Rush and Savage.

They sure didn't have a problem with it under Clinton,Kennedy, and Johnson.

'Now' they do.

The current policy traces its roots to the administration of former President Bill Clinton.

The current policy traces its roots to the administration of former President Bill Clinton.

www.aclu.org...

Torture was ok. We just did a 'little' bit of it!

Although under Johnson thanks to Laos and Cambodia 'we' were doing quite a hell of a lot of it.

Had enough of the selective outrage.

I don't care whatever "they" did whoever "they" are. I'm saying right here and now me. Waterboarding is Torture and Torture doesn't work. It really never has. There is lot's of documented evidence about it. Research papers, intelligence officials from around the world have stated it for decades.

Torture makes us feel better that we're doing something about terrorism. When in reality, it accomplishes nothing. Again, look it up and research it.