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originally posted by: Esoterotica
Maybe if we were a democratic socialist country instead of a quasi fascist oligarchic capitalist country we'd have a better education system & people would be able to give you the Oxford definitions which some seem to put so much value on.
originally posted by: TheBulk
originally posted by: Tearman
I think most Sanders supporters have pretty clear ideas about why they support him and don't realy give a damn about your definition of socialism.
Yes, they want to use the brute force of government to forcibly take money away from people they don't like, so they cane have "free" stuff.
originally posted by: TheBulk
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: xuenchen
Considering how badly the right misrepresents Socialism, I'm not surprised. It's hard to get a consistent answer about what Socialism is and isn't. Then that propaganda bleeds over to the left because people want to have balanced perspectives and get confused. Heck conservative members are doing it here in this thread.
Yes, its "the right's" fault that there are so many examples of failed socialist states. I bet you think its "the right's" fault people fear Muslims too. Is there anything your boogyman isn't responsible for?
originally posted by: Tearman
Way to put words in other people's mouths. Good job.
originally posted by: TheBulk
originally posted by: Tearman
I think most Sanders supporters have pretty clear ideas about why they support him and don't realy give a damn about your definition of socialism.
Yes, they want to use the brute force of government to forcibly take money away from people they don't like, so they cane have "free" stuff.
use the brute force of government to forcibly take money away from people they don't like, so they cane have "free" stuff.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
originally posted by: TheBulk
originally posted by: Tearman
I think most Sanders supporters have pretty clear ideas about why they support him and don't realy give a damn about your definition of socialism.
Yes, they want to use the brute force of government to forcibly take money away from people they don't like, so they cane have "free" stuff.
It's interesting that conservatives like to equate taxing people as a Socialist ideal even though we've always paid taxes. The difference between Socialism and Capitalism is just where the government spends the taxes.
The net effect of all this outsized fearmongering, combined with the economic and social buffeting the United States has gone through over the last couple of decades, is that the word “socialism” has been denuded of the negative associations that scares the crap out of Fox News viewers. Polling over the last few years has shown Americans are much more receptive to some of what socialism has to offer and will not wet themselves in fear when they hear the word. This is particularly true of younger people who were in grade school when the Soviet Union collapsed. In 2011, a Pew Research Center poll found that 49 percent of 18-to-29-year-olds had a positive view of socialism. Considering the enthusiasm of that age group for Bernie Sanders, it seems safe to assume that number has at the very least remained stable, if not gone up.
originally posted by: TheBulk
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
originally posted by: TheBulk
originally posted by: Tearman
I think most Sanders supporters have pretty clear ideas about why they support him and don't realy give a damn about your definition of socialism.
Yes, they want to use the brute force of government to forcibly take money away from people they don't like, so they cane have "free" stuff.
It's interesting that conservatives like to equate taxing people as a Socialist ideal even though we've always paid taxes. The difference between Socialism and Capitalism is just where the government spends the taxes.
Sensible taxing for worthy reasons is one thing. Exorbitantly high taxes to pay for failed policy, from a group you demonize so that Americans become dependent on government is an entirely different thing.
originally posted by: Tearman
Way to put words in other people's mouths. Good job.
originally posted by: TheBulk
originally posted by: Tearman
I think most Sanders supporters have pretty clear ideas about why they support him and don't realy give a damn about your definition of socialism.
Yes, they want to use the brute force of government to forcibly take money away from people they don't like, so they cane have "free" stuff.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
originally posted by: TheBulk
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: xuenchen
Considering how badly the right misrepresents Socialism, I'm not surprised. It's hard to get a consistent answer about what Socialism is and isn't. Then that propaganda bleeds over to the left because people want to have balanced perspectives and get confused. Heck conservative members are doing it here in this thread.
Yes, its "the right's" fault that there are so many examples of failed socialist states. I bet you think its "the right's" fault people fear Muslims too. Is there anything your boogyman isn't responsible for?
Failed Socialist states? Most of the 1st world is Socialist to some degree, with the countries with the highest standards of living being the most Socialist. Your view of reality is warped buddy.
PS: Yes it is the right's fault that people fear muslims.
Maybe if we were a democratic socialist country instead of a quasi fascist oligarchic capitalist country we'd have a better education system & people would be able to give you the Oxford definitions which some seem to put so much value on.
originally posted by: Tearman
You know there's a pretty big difference between these two things.... one, making sure a small number of individuals don't accumulate overwhelmingly disprpoportionate levels of power. And two, having the state take over everything.
The first point is what motivates me as a Bernie supporter. Private individuals should not be able to accumulate that much wealth (and thus power) unchecked. It just makes no sense to allow so much power to fall into so few hands.