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originally posted by: LSU0408
I'm all for Trump. I'm sick of the trash talking by all the candidates. There are a few I couldn't get behind, but Trump, Cruz, Rubio, Carson, and maybe even Christie would get my vote if they are the GOP candidate. I'm ready for this crap to end so they can stop digging up dirt on each other though.
Trump supported vets from day one of his campaign and further has used vets as a foil against candidate Cruz.
Being most of your points are illogical and nonsensical by ignoring Rule 10 and discounting the GOPe/RNC hatred of both candidates it seemed not worth response.
Isn't coordinating with a Super Pac illegal per the law. Such as Cruz just did.
originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
originally posted by: UnBreakable
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask
I don't know why Cruz wants to do this so much. Cruz has flip-flopped on a number of issues, and called out on them by Rubio, and even Newt Gingrich. Trump would have his way on this. Plus Trump is leading in Iowa. This is just a desperation move by Cruz to improve his numbers. Trump has nothing to gain by doing this, only Cruz does.
"Flip-Flopped on Legal Immigration
Flip-Flopped on H-1B Visas
Flip-Flopped on Birthright Citizenship
Flip-Flopped on Mass Deportation
Flip-Flopped on Syria
Flip-Flopped on Ground Troops in Syria
Flip-Flopped on Edward Snowden"
marcorubio.com...
actually most of those were misrepresented or flat out lies by Rubio, and Cruz countered them in the debate with facts
If you look them up youll see that those accusations are false....
Again hes not my choice, Rand Paul is, but if were going to deal with facts....
Not to mention, this isnt a discussion so much about that , and more addressing this particular issue, I dont wish to derail this thread with talking points
originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
a reply to: Phoenix
Really? whats his contributions to vets? Actions speak louder than words
originally posted by: Phoenix
I am disappointed that no one in media immediately mentioned Rule 10 to Cruz when he grandstanded this proposal - they know better.
That Cruz is blatantly playing on the publics ignorance of Rule 10 shows what a lying charlatan he really is.
Having Rule 10 pointed out early in this thread I'm surprised ATS'ers still continue Cruz's charade instead of calling it what it is,
Deceitful
originally posted by: Sargeras
originally posted by: Phoenix
I am disappointed that no one in media immediately mentioned Rule 10 to Cruz when he grandstanded this proposal - they know better.
That Cruz is blatantly playing on the publics ignorance of Rule 10 shows what a lying charlatan he really is.
Having Rule 10 pointed out early in this thread I'm surprised ATS'ers still continue Cruz's charade instead of calling it what it is,
Deceitful
Some folks have already made up their minds.
Rules etc be damned, they demand trump place himself in a bad position because they want him to!!!
Lol, it is rather silly isn't it.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
a reply to: Phoenix
Really? whats his contributions to vets? Actions speak louder than words
Yea, I'm curious about this as well. I don't recall any bombastic and outraged speeches about our failing VA centers, a problem that has literally transcended every modern Presidency.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
a reply to: Phoenix
Really? whats his contributions to vets? Actions speak louder than words
Yea, I'm curious about this as well. I don't recall any bombastic and outraged speeches about our failing VA centers, a problem that has literally transcended every modern Presidency.
As Emily Canal of Forbes reported in October: "The Donald J. Trump Foundation has donated $5.5 million to 298 charities between 2009 and 2013 (the most recent year available), according to the non-profit's 990 tax forms from those years. Of that, only $57,000 has been donated has been donated to seven organizations that directly benefit military veterans or their families, Forbes found. Wounded Warriors was not among the organizations Trump's foundation gave to in that time period."
originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
a reply to: Phoenix
I am disappointed that no one in media immediately mentioned Rule 10 to Cruz when he grandstanded this proposal - they know better.
That Cruz is blatantly playing on the publics ignorance of Rule 10 shows what a lying charlatan he really is.
Charlatan? Really? Look up his history for standing up for the constitution, his battles in the supreme court, what hes done on the senate floor, you can say a lot about Cruz but the man has the courage of his convictions and has backed it up with his voting record and his experience as a constiutional lawyer WINNING cases in favor of the constitution...
You can disagree with his policies or his ideology, but you cant call him a charlatan the man backs up his words with action.
The Charlatan between the two is most definitely TRUMP
Having Rule 10 pointed out early in this thread I'm surprised ATS'ers still continue Cruz's charade instead of calling it what it is,
Already addressed this, they are the top 2 contenders for the office for Repubs by double digit numbers, leading everyone else by embarrassing margins.
You really think the RNC would kick them out for this?
Not a chance.........
originally posted by: Phoenix
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask
Kinda like avoiding subject of "Mississippi massacre" that goes long way in proving duplicity by Cruz.
Candidates cannot directly coordinate with Pacs, Cruz is not putting up $$ nor paying for venue - his Pac is. Cruz did coordinate and do invatation - no?
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask
Hmmm... Doesn't look very supportive to me. I'm still concerned about why he hasn't mentioned anything about our failing VA centers. I see that as the number one issue at the forefront of most veterans' minds, yet nothing from him about that issue. Though to be honest, there is silence from almost all the candidates on that front. That isn't just a Trump failing there. But until I see a candidate get serious about overhauling our VA centers, I won't believe for a second they support veterans.
originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
a reply to: Sargeras
I think ive proved my point succinctly and it still stands........
Theres no way the RNC would boot them out, they have no other contenders even close to the level as these two....
I thought you guys were all bout bucking the status quo?
Now all the sudden its a different tune?
Typical
originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
originally posted by: Phoenix
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask
The RNC would relish the chance to have an excuse to boot both Cruz and Trump.
Cruz has shown in this instance that he has no qualms about deceiving the public and using vets to do so.
I fail to see how you can extrapolate that at all, eluding to the fact that Cruz reason for doing this was to decieve the people is an extremely large reach, and honestly doesnt make much sense
And how exactly is he using the vets and TRUMP wasnt? Cruz didnt start this with the vets, Trump did, and he did it for ratings and to teach FOX a lesson, and used the troops to do so
Cruz people merely called him on it, and said "Fine" if the troops are what youre concerned about we will donte too.......
I find the thinking of Trump supporters baffling
You accuse Cruz of using the troops but are completely blinded by Trumps emotional extortion of "patriots" to get himself more press
Again there is no way the RNC would boot both of these contenders out, they have no one else that could beat Hillary or Challenge Bernie, none.......