Apache Jedi Knight

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: BASSPLYR

It's well and truly dead. Some of the technology from it survived, but the bird itself is as dead as that goose I hit with my truck.

Wondering if they learned so much about making a helicopter stealthy during the testing and development of the comanche that they figured hey if we go back to the drawing board with what we know now we can make a stealth attack copter a magnitude better than the comanche.

Wonder if that's happened before on other projects. Wonder if there is a Comanche 2.0 or something out there operating under some other unused indian name. Hard to think of north american native warriors more intimidating than the comanche and the apache though that they could name her after.

a reply to: BASSPLYR

They found that making a helicopter stealthy is really freaking hard. That huge radar reflector right over the top of the fuselage is incredibly difficult to make not reflect radar.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Yeah I figure you can get help from the navy's screw studies to make the rotor quieter but how to facet it or use RAM to get it to be less reflective to radar without compromising what the blades lift generating ability. Electrify them? Surround the whole chopper in plasma, I can see that not working out for them.

Also, what are the safety protocol s around helicopter blades you suspect are generating a lot of static?

a reply to: BASSPLYR

The rotors aren't really an issue because they're high enough you're not going to accidentally touch them before the airframe grounds them out.

a reply to: BASSPLYR

I think they should use Cherokee next.

God bless that man's back.

a reply to: Zcustosmorum

Also means ENEMY to other indians, they as a tribe were very aggressive before we showed up.
It's called respect for them,funny thing is WE in the 7th Cav had one as well in Desert Storm.

a reply to: Sammamishman

Any native americans known for their stealthy tactics they could name a stealth copter after if not for their fierceness. It's hard to find another north american tribe more fierce than the Comanche and Apache. And the next runners up like the Blackfoot don't have a good ring to it.

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: Zcustosmorum
Yes, the U.S. military and all their scary names for equipment.

The "Apache", named after thousands upon thousands of native indians slaughtered by white guys haha

Agreed.

Hero killers, bah.

Edit: he can do amazing things with his gun ship, but we can't show you that because its horrific. So we'll just talk about how much flight time he has.

Maybe the young here don't see a time when we will need those "Hero killers" but the time has been and may be again.

The senseless maneuvering of today's politics and so called war have undermined the respect due to those who risk their lives in times of true trouble. Very sad situation especially if we are ever attacked here at home.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Encased rotors?Like the dropships in the Avatar film,perhaps.

Scales,like sharkskin...

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: Sammamishman

Interesting other than getting to places high up in the afghani mountains I usually think of helicopters keeping to lower altitudes. Wonder what it means that he was training pilots to take their birds up so high?

When I went to high altitude training we had Apache escorts just as we would in Afghanistan. They have to go and fight where we go or where they're called upon for assistance.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Zcustosmorum
The "Apache", named after thousands upon thousands of native indians slaughtered by white guys haha

And even more killed by the Spanish.

Because Spanish are not white guys.............



I truly don't get why your comment got stars, the mysteries of the Americans, the only white guys in the world?

a reply to: SeaWorthy

The senseless maneuvering of today's politics and so called war have undermined the respect due to those who risk their lives in times of true trouble. Very sad situation especially if we are ever attacked here at home.

Somewhere along the line, 'providing for the common defense' got lost in translation. Enemies without and within.

Thats what needs fixing. Talk to those guys holed up in Oregon about it.

Warrior saying,"Its an achievement to be old man in an occupation where men die young" ..

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: Sammamishman
Wow.
That pic.
The rotor tips are awfully close to the water.
It is fine line between bold and crazy.
The man obviously is very experienced and good at what he does. He knows his limitations, otherwise he wouldn't still be alive.

It's actually a painting. If you haven't seen this guys artwork, you haven't seen art

www.drublair.com...

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: spirit_horse

the comanche was cancelled in 2004.

Although I wonder if it was cancelled or if it was 'Cancelled" A stealth light attack helicopter would make a good escort for a stealth Blackhawk which we know they built a few of. Hence wondering about SOAR and this guy.

Nah, it was cancelled. Some of our best work EVAR was in that damn design.

originally posted by: Sammamishman
a reply to: BASSPLYR

I think they should use Cherokee next.

Hear! Hear!

Only, my fractional ancestors were better at trading and diplomacy than making decorations out of white men. Which is good, I suppose, or my forebears would never have gotten together.

a reply to: butcherguy

Yeah, a mistake is unforgivable...

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: BASSPLYR

For the mountains. There are a lot of places that are fairly high altitude they work. They're usually not friendly to helicopters because of the altitude.

Although a few years ago, just been rehashed for the movie Everest:

Nepal pilot and army captain, KC Madan, became a hero with his daring rescue of Beck Weathers and Makalu Gau via a stripped down helicopter, a B-2 Squirrel A-Star Ecuriel helicopter, that barely flew in the thin air of the Western Cwm.

They had to strip out even the co-pilot according to Hollywood!

Years later a Eorocopter landed on the summit of Everest, but to carry weapons, armour, sensors etc you are not going to get too high!

Didn't the British WAH-64 have better performance than the eqivalent US AH-64 due to its more modern Rolls Royce engines? Assume this was the A or B and not the later models?

Any idea if there is a significant upgrade coming to an Apache style chopper ie. Extra engine and double amount of missiles? Updated sensors?

I read years ago at the cancellation of Commanche that there was no need for it as the 64 was already generations ahead of the threats it needed to face, in Afghanistan maybe but what if there was a proliferation of man pads like the US gave to the mujahideen to fight Russia? A small laser to burn a hole in the warhead of a AAM or RPG could be useful to an Apache!

Favourite helicopter of all time, beat air wolf and blue thunder and could sit for hours watching them brass up terrorists on YouTube!

a reply to: Forensick

The -60 is getting a new engine, I don't remember if the -64 was included in that too.