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originally posted by: ketsuko
I think part of the difficulty of pro-choice and conservative is the right to life issue. It gets to be enough that there are conservatives who swear off the death penalty over it.
You start thinking about the issue critically and you start to realize that it's hard to say exactly when you draw the line on what is or isn't human life, and if you don't know, you should err on the side of caution. That interferes with a woman's right to choose because you start to think she could be ending a human life arbitrarily over her own convenience.
If you get that far, then it's hard to reconcile pro-choice and respect for a human's basic right to life.
originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain
originally posted by: Sublimecraft
originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain
originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain
A philosophy where maintaining traditional values, traditions and customs are encouraged.
Devils Advocate here.
Can you define what "Tradition" is?
A belief or behaviour passed down from previous generations that has special or significant meaning within a specific demographic of society.
Vague. Which "Demographic" would that be?
Honest questions for reference, not trying to bait. I'm trying to get people's detailed opinion and for us to ask ourselves about the labels.
Agreed.
Can we include Constitutionalism as a "Conservative" value?
originally posted by: Sublimecraft
originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain
originally posted by: Sublimecraft
originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain
originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain
A philosophy where maintaining traditional values, traditions and customs are encouraged.
Devils Advocate here.
Can you define what "Tradition" is?
A belief or behaviour passed down from previous generations that has special or significant meaning within a specific demographic of society.
Vague. Which "Demographic" would that be?
Honest questions for reference, not trying to bait. I'm trying to get people's detailed opinion and for us to ask ourselves about the labels.
For instance, Native American Indians have specific traditions still practiced today, same with Maoris from New Zealand or Aboriginals from Australia, certain tribes in PNG still practice cannibalism and bloodletting as well.
In sporting for example, Rugby Union test matches with The All Blacks playing always starts the game with the Haka.
In Japan, it is customary to bow when greeting someone.
originally posted by: Punisher75
Agreed.
Can we include Constitutionalism as a "Conservative" value?
I would say yes, simply because the meaning of the Conserve, is to try to save something that already exists.
originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain
A philosophy where maintaining traditional values, traditions and customs are encouraged.
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain
Understand that when you ask me about this that I have been married for 20 years to a man who's mother was an unwed 16-year-old who gave him up for adoption. He missed falling inside the R v W ruling by a single year. Had he been a year younger than he is ... I might never have had the opportunity to ever know him.
That being said, I am not someone who would favor forcing anyone to carry the child of a rape to term. I think it's horrible that such a child is punished for something not its fault, but I understand.
I DO however think we should recognize what happened, and tack a charge in manslaughter on to the rapist's sentence. I'd say murder, but he didn't intend for a pregnancy to result.
originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain
originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain
Definitions are changing all the time to suit different ideological needs.
socialism is supposed to be awesome now. Authoritarian ideologies just mean more freedom, blah blah blah.
So what does conservatism mean?
I'd probably use any definition coined before 1980 personally.
Which is why I started the thread. I want people to define the things they label themselves as, me included.
I think the definition should have a meaning. And I want to know what precludes one from being a "Conservative" or what MAKES one a Conservative.
It's interesting what people's different opinions are.
originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain
originally posted by: Sublimecraft
originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain
originally posted by: Sublimecraft
originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain
originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain
A philosophy where maintaining traditional values, traditions and customs are encouraged.
Devils Advocate here.
Can you define what "Tradition" is?
A belief or behaviour passed down from previous generations that has special or significant meaning within a specific demographic of society.
Vague. Which "Demographic" would that be?
Honest questions for reference, not trying to bait. I'm trying to get people's detailed opinion and for us to ask ourselves about the labels.
For instance, Native American Indians have specific traditions still practiced today, same with Maoris from New Zealand or Aboriginals from Australia, certain tribes in PNG still practice cannibalism and bloodletting as well.
In sporting for example, Rugby Union test matches with The All Blacks playing always starts the game with the Haka.
In Japan, it is customary to bow when greeting someone.
I understand what traditions are.
So what is a traditional "Conservative" circa 2016. ?
Where is the line?
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain
I think most that I know of understand instances of medical necessity. In those cases, it is the choice of the mother to decide. Some will be like Tebow's mom.
You are going to have more resistance on rape and incest, but likely not nearly as much as you think. Even here, a lot of people are going to agree that if a woman's choice was taken from her, then she needs to have it back.
originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain
Is being a Christian a rule for being Conservative?
Can we at least define that benchmark?
Yea or Nay?