Palin Endorses Trump and look what happens to his numbers...uh-oh....

originally posted by: Konduit
a reply to: Gryphon66

I don't see anyone else in this thread putting down other members besides the ones in question.

And in your opinion, anyone who ever mentions Trump or starts a topic on ATS regarding him in any way is confrontational? It's kind of a self fulfilling prophecy when you come on here with an attitude like that.

Now you want to talk only of "this thread"? Isn't that convenient? But very well, I'll bite ...

Let's use you yourself as an example, shall we? You want to post implying that those with whom you disagree shouldn't be allowed (presumably by ATS T&C or mod action, etc.) to distract from Trump Supporters glad-handing each other, promoting dishonesty and lies, and, as in your own case, attacking anyone who disagrees with their disagreement.

That's just not the way this works. Focus on the arguments. Disprove what these "rabble-rousers" you don't like are claiming.

Don't try to silence them so you can revel in disinfo in peace; that's not the ATS way. Best.

a reply to: Gryphon66

I'll post this again without the typo since your so fixated on it.

I don't see anyone else in this thread who started putting down other members besides the ones in question.

In your opinion, anyone who ever mentions Trump or starts a topic on ATS regarding him in any way is confrontational? It's kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy when you come on here with an attitude like that.

a reply to: Gryphon66

The topic is about Trumps numbers going up after Palins endorsement... which they did. So in your opinion what part of that is BS?

Pointing out the obvious is a far cry from trying to "silence" someone. Don't be so dramatic.

a reply to: Konduit

You're boring and repetitive. What "typo" ... your whole post? LOL.

If you think that "Trump supporters" including OP have not gone after posters with personal insults here who are disagreeing with their BS as posted here, you need to re-read the thread. It is against the spirit if not the letter of T&C for me to quote others comments to you, but track what OP has said and you'll immediately find what I'm talking about. Also ... your posts.

Why don't you stop trying to tell others what to do ("don't be philosophical, don't be dramatic, don't disagree with Trump") and do your own thing?

/shrug again

ETA: As far as the erstwhile topic ... there aren't "polls" involved here ... OP is discussing a single Reuters poll, which, by the way, also shows Trump being beaten by Clinton, LOL. Wouldn't that be crushing to The Donald's ego? Getting "schlonged" by an old lady?

a reply to: Gryphon66

"Don't try to silence them so you can revel in disinfo in peace".

I never once called for anyone to be "silenced" by pointing out the obvious. Perhaps you should take a page from your own playbook and stop trying to put words in other peoples mouths.

/shrug?

originally posted by: Konduit
a reply to: Gryphon66

"don't try to silence them so you can revel in disinfo in peace".

I never once called for anyone to be "silenced" by pointing out the obvious. Perhaps you should take a page from your own playbook and stop trying to put words in other peoples mouths.

/shrug?

No, you just wanted to be insulting in a childish way claiming some folks were "butthurt" ... and then tried to classify some members' dissent as "confrontational baiting."

Look in the mirror and get rid of the board in your own eye before you remove a speck of dust from anyone else's.

ETA: Care to comment ON TOPIC for a change? Care to acknowledge that OP Is referring to a poll from an agency whose OTHER POLLS show Clinton defeating Trump? Reuters - Clinton Beats Trump ... or is such "schlonging" too uncomfortable to contemplate, speaking of being "butthurt" ... LOL.

Or, since polls nearly a year in advance of the Election are so important ... should we talk about the ones that show a geriatric Socialist pummeling Trump in the general election?

In the spirit of your hero ... "grow a pair" and get on with life.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Your right, it's considered dissent when someone comes on a thread and paints a broad stroke against all ATS members as being stupid for supporting the OP.

It's also pretty obvious what a comment like that is going to lead to, especially when the comment has nothing to do with the OP.

As I posted earlier, Trumps numbers did in fact go up after Palins endorsement.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Konduit
a reply to: Gryphon66

"don't try to silence them so you can revel in disinfo in peace".

I never once called for anyone to be "silenced" by pointing out the obvious. Perhaps you should take a page from your own playbook and stop trying to put words in other peoples mouths.

/shrug?

In the spirit of your hero ... "grow a pair" and get on with life.

Trump is not my hero, I support Sanders as well over the establishment but see nowhere near the same vitriol on Sanders threads as I see on here.

Again stop putting words into other peoples mouths please.

originally posted by: Konduit
a reply to: Gryphon66

Your right, it's considered dissent when someone comes on a thread and paints a broad stroke against all ATS members as being stupid for supporting the OP.

It's also pretty obvious what a comment like that is going to lead to, especially when the comment has nothing to do with the OP.

As I posted earlier, Trumps numbers did in fact go up after Palins endorsement.

... but it was fine with you for the OP to "paint a broad stroke" against all non-Trump supporters a few posts in?

It was fine for you to imply that anyone who disagrees with OP was "butthurt"?

You'd like ATS to be more PC and no not say anything that hurts your feelings?

I've tried for several posts to get you to stop crying about what others are saying that you don't like and focus on the topic, and thus far, you've refused. The same polls taken at the same time show Trump getting beaten by Clinton.

Polls are polls.

/final shrug

Why was Trump for AMNESTY just under 3 years ago?

twitter.com...^tfw

Congress must protect our borders first. Amnesty should be done only if the border is secure and illegal immigration has stopped.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Konduit
a reply to: Gryphon66

Your right, it's considered dissent when someone comes on a thread and paints a broad stroke against all ATS members as being stupid for supporting the OP.

It's also pretty obvious what a comment like that is going to lead to, especially when the comment has nothing to do with the OP.

As I posted earlier, Trumps numbers did in fact go up after Palins endorsement.

... but it was fine with you for the OP to "paint a broad stroke" against all non-Trump supporters a few posts in?

Where did the OP do this? Quote it for me, since all I see is him trying to get the topic back on track.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Konduit
a reply to: Gryphon66

Your right, it's considered dissent when someone comes on a thread and paints a broad stroke against all ATS members as being stupid for supporting the OP.

It's also pretty obvious what a comment like that is going to lead to, especially when the comment has nothing to do with the OP.

As I posted earlier, Trumps numbers did in fact go up after Palins endorsement.

I've tried for several posts to get you to stop crying about what others are saying that you don't like and focus on the topic, and thus far, you've refused.

Stop trying to tell other people what to do. See what I did there?

a reply to: Konduit

Right. Okay, I'll risk a mild transgression against T&C ... as I'm tired of the feigned ignorance/dishonesty on display here:

originally posted by: matafuchs
There is so much hate from the anti-Trump crowd. So much. Is it that you are jealous of his money, his business or his hot wives?

Are you low on self-esteem that the only way you can try to prop yourself up is to call someone dumb. I don't know too many dumb people who have 4 billion dollar organizations. I see dumb people who will allow themselves to be taxed thinking it is helping the greater good or sticking it to the man and while that happens more are out of work and the debt pushes 20 trillion. How many years are you as voters going to allow them to say we can't balance it, oh well, give us more money and we will tax you higher.

THAT is dumb...

And of course, your initial post that I responded to ... which is blatantly insulting (not only to ATS members, but to Spiderman).

You don't want to approach the topic from any angle other than "Yay! Trump" ... so let me spell it out for you. According to the same polls ... HILLARY BEATS TRUMP. (as does Sanders). The topic is about the polls and effects on the polls.

And in response to your last, in similar tone ... make me. Nyah.

a reply to: Gryphon66

You must be referring to this.

Stick your head back in the hole you call reality and keep denying...

This is neither confrontational or telling them they are dumb, stoooopid, retarded, or any of the other derogatory remarks made. I am telling him to stay in his reality.

This thread is about the polling numbers that came back with Palins support.It is true. His numbers are up. Everywhere. All most of you do is listen to an edited soundbite about him and go off. No talk of his stance on issues except to say he is racist when the current Federal government has the same immigration guidelines in place that he is simply saying NEED to be enforced.

This poll number is the most telling...slowly eroding her lead.

Link

or this one...

Link

a reply to: matafuchs

Dude ... I quoted what I was talking about above. You're good with derailing your own thread as long as it serves your agenda, and then, you want to try to use the ATS T&C to silence those who take exception to your cheerleading.

Yes, your thread is about a bump in two polls for Mr. Trump. You chose to make it about Palin's apparently drug-induced "endorsement" (she seems to be appearing in public a lot lately under the influence of something ... in my opinion anyway ... even though I don't like her public personna, and certainly find her politics ludicrous ... I still don't like to see people's lives falling apart).

Aside from the appalling double standards that you and other Trumpeters in the thread are demonstrating ... my question would be "So what?" Polls for Mr. Trump are up and down. A few months ago, Carson was leading. A few months from now, another occupant of the clown-car ...

You want to ignore all the issues with Trump and lend him your support? Bully. However, there are many here that DON'T share your enthusiasm, and when you start threads like this, flouting every trivial moment of his campaign or repugnant commentary, you can expect many of us to weigh in with both facts and opinions.

That's what we do here.

Just because you've found your "right-wing messiah" doesn't mean anyone else has. Deal with it.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Then why are you in this thread? If you care so little how can you care so much? When these threads are put up there is a lot of defensive posting based on the posts from the Anti-Trump crowd. It is always the same 5 or 6 talking points. Why are people who do not support him in these threads. These are for Trump supporters because a lot of people come here instead of MSM outlets and this is news.

So this thread, trashing Paling and Trump is of course ok

www.abovetopsecret.com...

But when one such as this OP is created to refute it is wrong? Sounds like silencing the 'voice' of the people who like Trump is what you are after. There is nothing for me to deal with either. I am good...

a reply to: matafuchs

What rot.

I'm "in this thread" because I choose to be as an ATS member notwithstanding the relative importance (or lack thereof) of your constant Trumpeting.

You're butting into a discussion, still relevant to the overall nature of the thread, between myself and another member. Perhaps that's because I quoted your own trashing of other members in response to the other poster, fair enough ... but I did so at the request of the other member who was claiming, as you seem to be now, that people who post their disagreement with your hero are somehow trying to "shut you down."

Right-wingers are so ready to cry victim ... unless they're damning someone else for doing it first ... in my opinion.

You don't get to declare a thread "off limits" posting to people that you don't agree with ... within T&C every ATS member can post anywhere as long as we follow the community rules.

Further, why would you want to unless you're merely starting a Cult of Trump? Why wouldn't you want to defend "your guy" against others ... unless they're right and you don't want "your guy's" shortcomings made evident?

Surely you can take a bit of disagreement without trying to shut folks down?

Trump had a bump in the polls after Palin did her word-salad. Wonderful. Does that merit a post? Who can say? You really think you're providing "news"? LOL. It's your right to post, it's our right to comment ... don't like it, live with it.

You think Trump is "closing" on Clinton and Sanders (I bet you thought Romney was going to win 2012 with a "historic landslide" too) ... yet, no poll anywhere indicates anything much at all along those lines ... except that Trump would be defeated roundly by any Democrat ... and none of that means scrit at this point in the process ...

So, post away with your adulation and praise of your Candidate, and those of us who disagree will continue to express that in the appropriate ways under the site's T&C.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Cry away? Kick you out of the thread? I asked why you are here. I am also not hiding behind T&C. I am surprised that the mods have not rained down upon us because there have been MANY deviations to the OP.

If you are posting against me, and as other simply stating " you are so dumb to be a trump supporter" how am I supposed to react? When it is over and over? Just like so many of you are simply saying Palin is dumb and she is of no asset. He rose 7% in national polling. If you again, do not care, fine, but no one is asking you to leave. Engaging in a healthy debate should end in new outlook not a closed mind.

Instead, tell us a few things that would discredit the thread and how she is actually helping him.

a reply to: matafuchs

I have no idea what you mean by "posting against you." I am not against you. I don't know you. I'm commenting on your posts.

I have certainly said nothing about your intellect nor called you "dumb" ... you have, however, directed that at others who disagree with your hero and your hero-worship.

You based your OP on two polls and wanted to claim that as a "national trend."

You linked an arbitrary event with your interpretation of those two polls that you find significant. Again, so? Where's the proof? Where's the poll that says that people are now supporting Trump because of Palin? Eh? Now THAT might backup your claim ... but as such, you have nothing really. Two polls, subsequent to an event of importance to YOU ...

Perhaps you're familiar with confirmation bias?

What does other posters' opinions of Palin have to do with your statement about Trump? You think her support was signficant, again ... great. Other's don't, or dont' see the same correlation you did and told you why. Others, just don't like your guy Trump and told you why. Others don't like Palin ... and told you why. Relevant to your OP? Well ... aren't you suggesting that Palin and her endorsement were Important?

Doesn't that bring Palin's qualifications, relative public perception, and so forth into the mix of discussion?

If you're good with how others are discussing this relative blip on the radar screen of the 2016 election ... then why are we having this conversation? LOL.

Your OP informs people that you think Palin helped Trump. And now they know.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Sorry but I was giving examples on the whole and not you, I should have pointed that out. Thanks for the response.

originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: matafuchs

Of course she is blaming Obama but twist it as you might, she did just that. Funny enough, it was Bush who got us into the Middle East but of course it's Obama's fault. I'd even wager her son does not have PTSD and is just an alcoholic with a temper.

Trump is on board with anything that will get him votes. He will say anything, like all politicians, to get support but I really have 0 faith he'll actually follow thru with any of his promises and that's because he's a greedy bastard who does not care about you or the troops.

sarah, lied , her son did not do any combat during that year.....