The Clinton Team Is Writing 'Too Big To Fail' Out Of The Financial Crisis

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Sublimecraft

Yea I refuse to let that happen. There is no way I am going to let them rewrite history here. I was appalled that our leaders had the gall to tell us "too big to fail" when it happened, and now they are trying to say it wasn't that big of a deal! Talk about a slap in the face.

It's stupid too, because Clinton is doing this to try to distinguish herself from the Bernie campaign. You know it couldn't kill you to have SOME issues you agree with your opponents on...

A large string of expletives are streaming across my eyeballs right now and I'm doing all I can to withhold typing them.

It's because Bernie's calling for breaking up those banks and institutions. Now that his campaign is picking up steam, the Democratic establishment is realizing that this stuff might be on the table. They'd obviously rather the public forget about it & focus on things that don't upset the status quo. So they're trying to convince Democratic voters and the rest of the left wing that it's all being blown out of proportion and that Bernie's too radical.

In fact, Clinton's supporter Sen. Claire McCaskill just released a left wing "dog whistle" by claiming the Repubs were waiting to use "hammer & sickle" ads against Bernie if he won the nomination, which would hurt other democratic candidates. This is an enormous slap in the face because informed progressives & most of Bernie's supporters know the difference between socialism & communism. But she did it to plant doubts in the minds of non-informed voters. Biden even just came out saying we don't need socialism.

Needless to say, I really can't stand Clinton or any of the other establishment Dems. They pulled all kinds of dirty crap against then-Senator Obama, and he was on their side. And they did the same thing after progressive & moderate voters gave the Dems a majority in both the House & Senate in 2008. They immediately marginalized the left, refusing to pass "Cap & Trade", immigration reform like the "Dream Act, and refused to prosecute over the war in Iraq or the torture scandal. Then they made a deal with the drug companies so they could keep jacking up their prices, threw single payer health care out the window & wouldn't even include the public option, which was a campaign promise from Sen. Obama.

(Sigh) I've tried to tell people this but the Democratic Party leadership isn't left wing. They're center-right. They're in bed with Wall St. just as much as the Republican leadership is.

a reply to: enlightenedservant

I am so glad that you are on this website, my friend.
So very glad.
You and KrazySh0t and others - speaking sense and truth.

a reply to: enlightenedservant

Sounds like they are taking a page from the Republican playbook in attacking Bernie. All this effort to distance themselves from the "Socialist" label. It's actually pretty sad. That word has to be the most misunderstood word in the country...

a reply to: Krazysh0t

That's so when we bail them out again, it won't sound so bad.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: enlightenedservant

Sounds like they are taking a page from the Republican playbook in attacking Bernie. All this effort to distance themselves from the "Socialist" label. It's actually pretty sad. That word has to be the most misunderstood word in the country...

Maybe that's because "Socialism" is to frail to jail.

Socialism is a political psy-ops tool defined by Grampaw Karl Marks.

a reply to: xuenchen

Thanks for proving my point Xuenchen. You know, in a thread where both conservatives and liberals can come together to hate on Hillary, you just HAD to shove a partisan snipe into it...

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: enlightenedservant

Sounds like they are taking a page from the Republican playbook in attacking Bernie. All this effort to distance themselves from the "Socialist" label. It's actually pretty sad. That word has to be the most misunderstood word in the country...

Unfortunately, it's not just the Republican playbook. The Democratic establishment & powerbrokers aren't incompetent; they know exactly what they're doing. They allowed conservatives to redefine & demonize words like "liberal", "socialist", "progressive", and "environmentalist". And they had no problem with bipartisanship when it came to the Iraq War, the bailouts, the drone wars, the "enhanced interrogation" torture scandal, or most of the other large scale issues.

The ironic thing is the original Tea Party & Occupy Wall Street movements were both spawned from disgust at the financial collapse. And both Republican and Democratic leaders at differing levels of government took turns crushing & championing them until they could be watered down & co-opted. Each party's establishment basically alternates between playing "good cop, bad cop", hoping that voters don't catch on.

And an actual socialist like Sanders scares the crap out of both sides. This is especially true for the Democratic leaders because they've been playing the role of the "left wing progressives with good intentions that are too naive to get progressive policies passed". They always trot out the same BS reasons why we have to settle for some watered down, center-right "compromise". But Bernie and a potential wave of actual progressive & socialist candidates will expose them for what they really are. Hence, the stuff like what's in your OP.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: enlightenedservant

I am so glad that you are on this website, my friend.
So very glad.
You and KrazySh0t and others - speaking sense and truth.

Hehe, thanks.

originally posted by: enlightenedservant
And an actual socialist like Sanders scares the crap out of both sides. This is especially true for the Democratic leaders because they've been playing the role of the "left wing progressives with good intentions that are too naive to get progressive policies passed". They always trot out the same BS reasons why we have to settle for some watered down, center-right "compromise". But Bernie and a potential wave of actual progressive & socialist candidates will expose them for what they really are. Hence, the stuff like what's in your OP.

I really hope you are right here. If anything though, this election is certainly a backlash of that alternating good cop bad cop dynamic. So if it's to be done, this election is the one to do it in.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: enlightenedservant
And an actual socialist like Sanders scares the crap out of both sides. This is especially true for the Democratic leaders because they've been playing the role of the "left wing progressives with good intentions that are too naive to get progressive policies passed". They always trot out the same BS reasons why we have to settle for some watered down, center-right "compromise". But Bernie and a potential wave of actual progressive & socialist candidates will expose them for what they really are. Hence, the stuff like what's in your OP.

I really hope you are right here. If anything though, this election is certainly a backlash of that alternating good cop bad cop dynamic. So if it's to be done, this election is the one to do it in.

I really hope so, too. I thought 2008 was going to be the one but nope. Things got better but so much more could've been done.

The biggest problem I'm seeing with this cycle is that so many moderates & others on the left seem to be assuming it's going to be a Republican Congress. But the entire House of Representatives is up for election! They change every 2 years. And a third of the Senate is up for reelection too. So it's not even like Bernie would have to push his proposals through a conservative Congress if people would just vote in other progressive candidates along with him.

Ironically, it feels like the DNC is trying to prevent that. They should be milking Bernie's message in order to drive interest in other Democratic candidates down-ballot. They should be riding the phenomenal wave of enthusiasm he's inspiring, not trying to stifle & demonize it.