The Apostle Paul, A Man Used of God

a reply to: Klassified

They never met and did not teach the same thing.

a reply to: Klassified

They never met and did not teach the same thing.

a reply to: Klassified

They never met and did not teach the same thing. But Christianity isnt known for its logic

originally posted by: Essene616
a reply to: Klassified

They never met and did not teach the same thing. But Christianity isnt known for its logic

One reply would have been sufficient, but thank you for your scholarly insight.

a reply to: Essene616

You need to learn how to post, you're clogging the boards with unnecessary double and triple posts and breaking your arguments up into 4 or 5 different comments. Quality, not quantity.

Just some friendly advice, not trying to be a dick about it.

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: Essene616

You need to learn how to post, you're clogging the boards with unnecessary double and triple posts and breaking your arguments up into 4 or 5 different comments. Quality, not quantity.

Just some friendly advice, not trying to be a dick about it.

that was Gnosisisfaith MO in post also that is one reason I knew it is the same person.

a reply to: Essene616

It was clear that he gave them in Acts 16.

a reply to: Essene616

He returned to the the churches starting in chapter 16, where do you think Derbe and Lystra are? today.

You are being argumentative.

Paul went to Jerusalem 4 times during his Christian Life. 22 was the last time he went to Jerusalem.

No more for you Essence.

a reply to: Akragon

Sorry Akragon you may believe that he didn't dictate them to all But I do. Wea laready know he didn't write as his eye sight was bad, we know he wrote some slautation in parts of them because he states so.

But 13 books bear his stamp.

a reply to: Akragon

So Dying Jacob gave that blessing in Genesis. It has no bearing on Paul

originally posted by: Essene616
a reply to: chr0naut

Sorry but it's in there. Keep trying. It's 15 22 I did make a mistake. Read from 15 22

In Acts 15: 22-29, Paul and Barnabas were given a letter to deliver to the gentile churches. The letter had five suggestions, not four. Only Jude and Silas were specifically sent out to instruct by word of mouth, not Paul.

Acts 21:25 repeats this, that Paul was given a letter from the elders in Jerusalem and that contained five suggestions.

The verse that you probably are quoting to say that Paul didn't do as instructed is Gal 2:10. However, the same letter, Galatians, contains instructions from Paul that fulfill three of those five suggestions. The other two suggestions relate to kosher laws and are negated by Peters vision in Acts 10: 9-16. It would be disingenuous for Paul to preach these kosher laws as applicable when they were not even held to being valid in the church in Jerusalem among Hebrew Christians.

... so I do actually know the story.

originally posted by: Essene616
a reply to: [post=20277478]chr0naut[/post. It doesn't bother you he lied? At all? I mean he was given a message, and lied about its contents. Is that. Hard to understand. He also preaches circumcision is evil, and then forces timothy to get circumcised. But you won't see how cruel that is to do to a grown man, you'll make up an excuse for why it's ok. That's what Paulines do.

The verses that you say indicate that Paul lied, say nothing of the sort.

Paul doesn't preach that circumcision is evil. He preaches that it is of no importance under Christ.

Paul circumcised Timothy because Timothy was an uncircumcised half-Jew (Greek on his father's side), who would not have been allowed access into temples or synagogues. Something that would have prevented Timothy's ability to spread the Gospel among Jews. It says it quite plainly in Acts 16: 3.

originally posted by: Essene616
a reply to: chr0naut
But if you don't know the story that means you never read it, so I had the chapter wrong, but at least I know the story.

No, I do know the story, I was merely pointing out that your reference was wrong.

There isn't a lot of room in posts to give lengthy dissertations (I also don't have the time to do so) and I was responding specifically to the most glaring problem in your post.

a reply to: Essene616

FYI, the five suggestions are as follows:

1. That gentiles should not be circumcised.
2. That gentiles should avoid anything offered to idols.
3. That gentiles should not consume blood.
4. That gentiles should avoid strangled animals.
5. That gentiles should avoid fornication.

Note that suggestions 3 & 4 are kosher laws and are negated by Peter's vision as detailed four posts ago. That they are not recorded in Paul's letters does not mean that he didn't pass them on verbally.

All other suggestions were passed on as directed, most several times, and are recorded in Paul's letters.

a reply to: Akragon

Yes, but Essene made claims stating they were supported in scripture without providing said scripture. It's hard to refute those without the scripture in question.

a reply to: chr0naut

Hye, chr0naut?

Have you considered putting a seizure warning with that avatar?

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Akragon

Yes, but Essene made claims stating they were supported in scripture without providing said scripture. It's hard to refute those without the scripture in question.

Couldn't agree more... which is why I asked for it on page 6

a reply to: chr0naut

Plus we have no scriptural evidence that the elders in Jerusalem enforced any of it. But some of Paul's teaching basically incorporates some of those five suggestions.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: chr0naut

Hye, chr0naut?

Have you considered putting a seizure warning with that avatar?

Just playing with the graphics.

It's an animated .gif out of the movie "2001, a Space Odyssey" (running a bit too fast but it looked too jerky slowed down) with a translucent overlay of a depiction of the numerical Sephirot, and then with a translucent overlay from Salvador Dali's "Crucifixion (Corpus Hypercubus)" and then finally, overlaid with my usual cartoon avatar, that was drawn at Armageddon.

... but it is a bit 'flashy'.

Normally the frequency to avoid is 9Hz but my background cycles at @ 5Hz, so I think you'll be OK. There's a lot of worse Japanese Anime!

a reply to: chr0naut

I have avatars turned off so I can see only posts and more of them, as some of the avatars are large and distracting. It is to easy to interpret a person by their avatar and be completely wrong about them. So it is good I don't see them.