Why Bernie Sanders Has Excellent Chance of Winning Now

originally posted by: Eilasvaleleyn
a reply to: stevieray

I'm not the "decider." Princeton University is.

One paper does not constitute "fact." The University didn't write the paper; two minor players did, so the reputation of the University cannot be used to bolster your position. Look up "logical fallacies."

originally posted by: Eilasvaleleyn
a reply to: MystikMushroom

The world-at-large would like to see a softer, friendlier, less moronic and sensible America with more democratic socialist policies like it's European ancestors.

Is this... Supposed to be a bad thing? I'm confused. Being "Softer" and "Friendlier" does not beget being "Weaker."

You don't have be a country of war hawks to be strong.

*eye roll*

MoveOn endorses Bernie Sanders

MoveOn is endorsing Bernie Sanders for president after the liberal challenger to Hillary Clinton won 78 percent of votes cast by its membership.

Ilya Sheyman, MoveOn Political Action's executive director, lauded Sanders for his run-away win and promised to help turn out voters in the early states of Iowa and New Hampshire, where the group has 43,000 members and 30,000 members respectively.

“This is a massive vote in favor of Bernie Sanders, showing that grassroots progressives across the country are excited and inspired by his message and track record of standing up to big money and corporate interests to reclaim our democracy for the American people,” Sheyman said.
“We will mobilize aggressively to add our collective people power to the growing movement behind the Sanders campaign, starting with a focus on voter turnout in Iowa and New Hampshire.”

Clinton won a paltry 14.6 percent of the 340,665 votes cast by members of the liberal group, which nearly a decade ago opposed Clinton’s record on the Iraq war.

The group endorsed Barack Obama's presidential bid in 2008 after he won 70 percent of the vote in the endorsement survey.
thehill.com...

Hillary got the money Burnie got the people, here is one of the big albatross around Hillary's neck.

Libs have long memories and are generally less forgiving to one supposedly of their own.

Yep, the leaf smoking voice will vote for Bernie. If you smoke enough on that peace pipe, do you think it will all go away and get better ? He wants to legalize the leaf. Hurray, OOPS the country went to hell.

originally posted by: operayt
Yep, the leaf smoking voice will vote for Bernie. If you smoke enough on that peace pipe, do you think it will all go away and get better ? He wants to legalize the leaf. Hurray, OOPS the country went to hell.

You know what's sending the country to hell?? is not smoking "the Leaf" but criminalization of a freaking weed and wasting tax dollars on the prison industrial complex, look at Colorado crime surrounding weed dropped significantly and
Pot Use Among Colorado Teens Appears to Drop After Legalization
www.usnews.com...

Why???.. because it is no longer taboo, same with prohibition about 90yrs ago gang violence surrounding booze disappeared after ending that misguided law.
So yeah I pray Bernie don't continue to do stupid just because it is a tradition.

a reply to: Spider879

Sorry, bern has no chance. This has been set up for Biden to win by king obozo. Biden's been sitting on the sidelines with no attacks, just waiting the sociopath Clinton to be prosecuted. Biden will come in to save the day without having to take a political beating.

America will never vote for an outright socialist, bern would take maybe 1-2 states in a general election against trump. The DNC would never let that happen.

I don't trust that guy biden. He seems creepy to me. Somethings off with that one. Well, I won't just pick on one, they are all wacky in the brain. And that Hillary , she's just evil. Check out where her funding is coming from. That woman is bad to the core. Berney wants to legalize the leaves and dumb down America even more. Trump is at the firing range shooting at whatever stinks or pops it's ugly head up. He says whats on his mind , that could be a bad thing later , but seems to work just fine right now. The others are just lame ducks.

originally posted by: pyramid head
a reply to: Spider879

Sorry, bern has no chance. This has been set up for Biden to win by king obozo. Biden's been sitting on the sidelines with no attacks, just waiting the sociopath Clinton to be prosecuted. Biden will come in to save the day without having to take a political beating.

America will never vote for an outright socialist, bern would take maybe 1-2 states in a general election against trump. The DNC would never let that happen.

Current politics say he does have a chance and Americans are loosing the fear of that socialist label, it just don't carry the same negative bite among many Americans as it did in the past.

a reply to: Spider879

I'd say that's because you have an inordinate number of dumbasses who don't have the slightest clue what the word actually means and keep parroting their stupidity. Those saying Socialism=Communism, for instance.

a reply to: operayt

Berney wants to legalize the leaves and dumb down America even more. Trump is at the firing range shooting at whatever stinks or pops it's ugly head up. He says whats on his mind , that could be a bad thing later , but seems to work just fine right now. The others are just lame ducks.

Trump wants to shoot everything that moves, and being abrasive and obnoxious will only take him so far, the man is doing reality T.V and he does it well, soon enough we will get to voting him off the set..
The thing about weed was posted above pls klik the link.

So what if Bernie has dementia. He is nice and Trump is just mean. With the useless congress, the president is impotent anyway.

a reply to: pteridine

And yet I also see multiple other, influential figures, also stating that the US is an Oligarchy. Like former president Jimmy Carter, who simply said "We've become now an Oligarchy instead of a Democracy."

A professor of finance at New York University is quoted:

"I would tend to agree that the plutocratic tendencies of the system are now tending to overwhelm democratic principles,"

But no, keep telling yourself the US isn't an Oligarchy. A few years after Bernie is elected, that may even become true.

a reply to: MOMof3

Fair point. Everyone who says that the President is impotent should still be voting for Sanders, since Hillary is a sleazebag and Trump is an asshole.

originally posted by: Eilasvaleleyn
a reply to: pteridine

And yet I also see multiple other, influential figures, also stating that the US is an Oligarchy. Like former president Jimmy Carter, who simply said "We've become now an Oligarchy instead of a Democracy."

A professor of finance at New York University is quoted:

"I would tend to agree that the plutocratic tendencies of the system are now tending to overwhelm democratic principles,"

But no, keep telling yourself the US isn't an Oligarchy. A few years after Bernie is elected, that may even become true.

Thanks for the advice. It will be the first thing on my mind every morning because that makes a huge difference in how I approach the day. I sure hope it doesn't change soon because that would perturb my life, no end. Maybe all those millennials will move out of their safe spaces and change things for the better as soon as their latest demands are met.

I'll bet if you looked, you could find a lot of people saying "the US is now a fill in appropriate word here"

a reply to: pteridine

This discussion has nothing to do with millennials, why are you trying to shift things around? The seeds for the US to become the Oligarchy it is were planted and watered years before they were born.

Still, you don't seem to be worth my time, for either of us. Goodbye.

originally posted by: Eilasvaleleyn
a reply to: pteridine

This discussion has nothing to do with millennials, why are you trying to shift things around? The seeds for the US to become the Oligarchy it is were planted and watered years before they were born.

Still, you don't seem to be worth my time, for either of us. Goodbye.

Worth your time for either of us? An interesting statement of dubious meaning.

In a previous post, you were complaining about millennials being lumped together and how those in charge were the problem. I just went with the concept that the millennials were part of the solution and that they would fix things up and it was those in charge who wanted safe spaces for the special snowflakes and wrote all those demands that looked so self-serving and entitled.

The problem with Bernie is that he isn't central enough to get moderate crossover votes. If he is far left and the GOP runs some other maniac that is far right, no one allows for much but a straight party vote and likely the voters of neither party would be happy. The US is a government of mediocrity; they can't do anything too good or bad and kind of bump along down the middle of the road. There is no middle-of-the-road candidate, as of yet. We suffered through Bush-Cheney and are still fighting the wars that those clowns foisted on us. Then, knowing that they had a losing hand after the previous dolts, the GOP let McCain take his shot, just to keep him quiet. McCain then proved that wise Presidential decisions were beyond his scope when he selected Palin as his running mate. The next match would have been closer, as Romney wasn't a tea party maniac. Unfortunately, his running mate, Ryan, was and they couldn't find any consistency in their messages. The GOP also managed to attack Obamacare, and continues to do so, even though it was inspired by Romneycare, the child of their own candidate. Stupid GOP. As a political party, the GOP is completely disorganized and splintered. Their messages are conflicting as they try to pander to the entire conservative spectrum. We should give each GPO strategist a card that says "Step, chew, step, chew" to help them out. Now, if the GOP gets smart [unlikely but possible] and runs a moderate slate, they may have a good chance of winning if Trump doesn't run as an independent. This is what the Dems really want and if you were a conspiracist, you might say that the Dems would be promoting that concept, assuming that the GOP won't have him in a brokered convention. If the Donald goes home, after maybe being promised a cabinet seat, and the GOP comes up with a non maniac slate that appears moderate enough to the voters, then they have a better chance of winning.
Hilary servergate is being kept at a simmer and if the GOP can stall it, they would really want to wait until the Dems had committed to Hilary before dropping the hammer on her in a September-October indictment. I think that the Dems will be watching this closely and if she looks radioactive, they will broker another candidate. Bernie may be useful in grinding her down, but a Biden-Warren ticket is probably a better option for them if it can happen. Having a Sanders-Warren ticket isn't so bad either, but the public may go for Biden as being more moderate and more in touch with reality and the common man than any of the other candidates. The planks of the Dem platform will have to be well crafted and while Bernie seems really boneheaded and not prone to smart politics he'll have to go with it and maybe moderate some of his concepts if he wants to run.
Warren is an asset because she is smart and capable and the plan would be to have her do a term as VP while being groomed for POTUS.
Could the GOP allow Christie as VP to Cruz in a brokered convention? If Hilary is impaled on servergate, will the Dems draft Biden or let Bernie run? I'm seeing the right of first refusal go to Warren as VP in either case in preparing the country for a female POTUS. Pick the two most moderate GOP candidates and see if the GOP will get smart and run them or if it's business as usual and they pander to the far right....and tank again.

As to the oligarchy question, look to the words of Silent Cal Coolidge. You may have a point.

a reply to: pteridine

You can use trendy buzzwords like "special snowflakes," "safe spaces," and "entitlement" all you want, but your blame for millennials seems misplaced and irrelevant to the discussion.

originally posted by: mulder85
a reply to: pteridine

You can use trendy buzzwords like "special snowflakes," "safe spaces," and "entitlement" all you want, but your blame for millennials seems misplaced and irrelevant to the discussion.

Note that this was the result of a previous post where the respondent claimed that millennials were being unfairly painted with a broad brush [they are] and that those in charge were really responsible. I was only pointing out that not all are unfairly accused of spineless whining and was tweaking the author about blanket statements. Are you feeling persecuted? I'll edit out the hurtful parts.
Why don't you comment on the majority of the post that was relevant to the discussion if you wish to participate? Political speculation is certainly entertaining and this election is really a wild west show.

ETA: Alas, the site says that I have exceeded the 4 hour window and can't edit the previous post. The timer must start when one begins writing and not when posted.