Congress sends health law repeal to Obama's desk for first time

a reply to: Blazemore2000

well then here's another from from 2013.
if you look closely there are also 15 related bills listed all the way over to the right.

H.R.3121 - American Health Care Reform Act of 2013

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where did I claim Bush's plans made sense?

a reply to: Moegotti

My opposition to that is many-fold... many jobs these days don't offer benefits... people who have "pre-existing" conditions could rarely get any kind of healthcare that was even remotely affordable... glad you think children without insurance should go out and get a job, the lazy moochers... then there is the unemployed... women (and men for that matter) who lose their insurance because of divorce, or a death of a spouse... or the elderly, who are left with only medicaid/care that doesn't really cover their medical needs... etc.

Instead of telling people to get a job... why don't you get a clue.. and maybe a shred of empathy... you'll be a better person for it.

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Oh sorry... you said the GOP would soon reveal step 2... a plan that made sense... I asked for an example.. haven't seen one yet?

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If that's your idea of a plan that makes sense, I think we have nothing further to speak about. Tax credits and HSAs do not healthcare make. All you're showing me here is that Republicans want things back the way they were before ACA was passed... with a few little provisions... like limiting liability lawsuits. That's just peachy. Not.

originally posted by: Blazemore2000
a reply to: xuenchen

Oh sorry... you said the GOP would soon reveal step 2... a plan that made sense... I asked for an example.. haven't seen one yet?

That's because they haven't introduced it yet.

a reply to: xuenchen

That's because it's a figment of your imagination.

a reply to: xuenchen

Isn't it true that Harry Reid stopped any/all Republican alternatives from even going up for a vote in the Senate?

a reply to: xuenchen
They want a repeal of health care for millions of Americans with no backup plan. A boss in private business would fire them because that is stupid. That is why they are just playing with the president and the people.

originally posted by: Blazemore2000
a reply to: Moegotti

My opposition to that is many-fold... many jobs these days don't offer benefits... people who have "pre-existing" conditions could rarely get any kind of healthcare that was even remotely affordable... glad you think children without insurance should go out and get a job, the lazy moochers... then there is the unemployed... women (and men for that matter) who lose their insurance because of divorce, or a death of a spouse... or the elderly, who are left with only medicaid/care that doesn't really cover their medical needs... etc.

Instead of telling people to get a job... why don't you get a clue.. and maybe a shred of empathy... you'll be a better person for it.

That is too bad but it's not my job to provide for those who can't. Maybe they should have blazed less?

originally posted by: IAMTAT
a reply to: xuenchen

Isn't it true that Harry Reid stopped any/all Republican alternatives from even going up for a vote in the Senate?

For the most part, yes.

Reid blocked a whole bunch of votes.

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Wouldn't hurt to actually read the bill being sent to Obama.

Hey maybe Obama should just sign it so he can find out what's in it !!!!

a reply to: Moegotti

What's too bad is, that you're not one of those people in that position... but hey, Karma is a thing right?... may it fall upon you like a ton of bricks

a reply to: Blazemore2000
my point was and is there are more plans out there besides obumacare, some good and some bad. and that being required to buy something you don't want / need or contribute to for some lazy a@@ that doesn't want to work and buy their own, not those that truly need help. is wrong. i even bitch about social security, why should i have to pay into it to support old folks i don't know when in all likely hood i want even draw half of what i paid in back.

plus being forced to pay for others to receive help is not freedom,why should i have to pay for others?

it's all a Ponzi Scheme that the only people the really benefit from it are the doctors, insurers, and certain leaders of the country( the ones whose palms get greased, which is just about all of them).

the only true way to reform health care is to regulate what, and how much can be charged from doctors, pharmaceutical companies, tech companies that build the machines( well maybe not the tech companies themselves, maybe the cost of the tests done on them), and hospitals.


then stricter regulation on insurance companies so they have to pay and not play the back and forth that they do now with the doctors, hospitals, and labs, and how much can be charged on certain policies. plus they should have to pay for everything except electives, if your not going to die, you shouldn't need the care unless there are deformities that need to be taken care of.

the government regulates all kinds of business, healthcare should be no different.
then and only then will healthcare become affordable.

a reply to: xuenchen

Obama will veto it, and insure that it will be his legacy.

Own it now Obama.

originally posted by: Blazemore2000
a reply to: Moegotti

What's too bad is, that you're not one of those people in that position... but hey, Karma is a thing right?... may it fall upon you like a ton of bricks

The best part is that will never ever happen.

a reply to: Moegotti

Sounds like Obamacare proponents actually want EVERYONE to be miserable; spread the misery around...so it's fair.

If by some crazy chance a Republican does manage to win the election I'd almost be willing to bet everything I don't have that absolutely nothing will be done and we'll be stuck with this garbage law forever. If anything they'll just make it worse and tighten the noose so there will be severe punishment for noncompliance.

I don't think the Republicans ever had any intentions of getting rid of Obamacare. I still highly suspect they were all in on it from the get go and they've just been role playing this whole adversarial thing to work the public into final submission.

I had Obamacare for a year and it was cheap, 50 a month, but when I started making over 50,000 a year, it went up to 532 a month and I had to cancel. It has its perks for some people but if You make under 12,000 a year then I don't think You can get it. It did help my friend out bigtime, I signed him up and he had a major heart attack the next month. His medicine and everything was taken care of, then they cancelled it because he couldn't work and didn't make his 12000 bucks.

originally posted by: Foderalover
I had Obamacare for a year and it was cheap, 50 a month, but when I started making over 50,000 a year, it went up to 532 a month and I had to cancel. It has its perks for some people but if You make under 12,000 a year then I don't think You can get it. It did help my friend out bigtime, I signed him up and he had a major heart attack the next month. His medicine and everything was taken care of, then they cancelled it because he couldn't work and didn't make his 12000 bucks.

Imagine if everyone fought to make it work.

Instead of fought to make it fail.