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Interestingly many, if not most of those groups that the SPLC claims are extremists now were formed in the 1980s, or early 1990s... Couldn't it be that it is democrats who keep changing the labels of these groups? Of course, there have been a few that have been formed recently, but just because a Republican was President didn't make those groups that existed in the 1980s and 1990s disappear...
This is simply one of the many lies that the SPLC uses to try to urge people to believe their BS.
originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
I think you really have no idea what you're talking about.
The 80s and 90s?
The Millennials.......the ones who were born in the 80s and 90s.....right????
The children of The Boomers?? - right??
Yeah, we are their parents. In the 80s, we were in our 20s..............in our 30s (in the 90s) we had kids.....and we are still voting, and talking to our now-20-something kids......
don't be disingenuous.
Excuse me, but do you even know what in the world you are talking about? Because i certainly have no idea.
originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
...
so - okay.
You win.....
how about we get rid of them all now? I mean, abolish them, you know?
Fundamentalist, literalist, science-deniers, Limbaugh listeners, etc .... and generally brainwashed types...... deal????
Good.
Are we done?
I hope so.
Nice chatting to you.
originally posted by: Semicollegiate
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
I figured this thread should go here since we are talking about domestic terrorist cells within the country that operate under the premise that the government is tyrannical.
Anti-Government Extremist Groups Are A Uniquely American Problem
In the days since gunmen took over a federal wildlife refuge in Burns, Oregon, the anti-federalist militants have accomplished little more than exhausting the patience of locals.
At the same time, they have brought renewed scrutiny to American right-wing, anti-government extremist groups -- a population whose numbers surged in the 1990s and are on the rise once again.
A tally released Monday by The Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks extremist organizations, identified 276 anti-government militia groups in the U.S., a 37 percent jump from 2014. The militia groups are an armed subset of so-called patriot groups that "typically adhere to extreme antigovernment doctrines and subscribe to groundless conspiracy theories about the federal government," according to the law center.
Heidi Beirich, who directs the law center's Intelligence Project magazine, said the rise of the anti-government movement follows a predictable pattern of surging during a Democratic presidency and then falling under a Republican one. Extremists like the Posse Comitatus surged during Jimmy Carter's presidency in the 1970s, while Bill Clinton led the country during a time when the militia movement was involved in high-profile confrontations that included the Waco seige, Ruby Ridge and the Oklahoma City bombing.
Beirich isn't lying either. Check out this graph that goes along with the article.
It's especially bad with Obama. Now I'm not necessarily trying to start a partisan mud slinging fest, but that graph is rather disturbing. Why is it that when a Democrat is in office, extremists decide the government is coming to destroy their lives, but while a Republican is in office, this isn't a factor? I have my suspicions, but like I said I'm not trying to turn this into a partisan mud slinging contest.
Extreme anti-government suspicion is a characteristic that Beirich said is unique to the United States.
"This country was founded on overthrowing a tyranny," Beirich said. "This revolutionary fervor is kind of embedded in the U.S. -- this idea if you don’t like the government, you grab guns and overthrow it.”
This isn't exactly the best of ideas, and going by rhetoric used in the media that gets you labeled as a terrorist these days. Violent overthrow of government is a terrible decision unless the government is already firing on the people en masse. That isn't the case now or at any time within the last 200+ years this country has been a country and that includes Waco and even the Civil War (the South started that war).
"Anti-govermment extremism is all over the country, but what’s unique about the West is that it’s a place where the federal government owns a lot of land," Beirich noted. "And a lot of the anti-government extremists live in rural areas. The West lends itself to this."
Beirich said groups like the one in Oregon were galvanized after a 2014 confrontation at the Bundy family ranch in Nevada between armed militants and federal law enforcement.
People like this need to wake the hell up. They aren't Rambo or some movie star in an action film. This is real life. There are real consequences for your actions and things don't get tied up all nice and neat and the end of your story arc.
Brian Levin, an attorney and criminologist, said the overall risk posed by anti-government groups is growing. Levin, who directs the nonpartisan Center for the Study of Hate & Extremism at California State University, said it was a "material change" that the militants in Oregon have moved from "mere rhetoric to action, and from action to forceful action."
"This is a significant milestone because we’re seeing now a coalescence of a grassroots organization, which is responding to events and trying to influence them through show of force," Levin said. "We’re seeing aggressive and criminal conduct to make this point."
In other words, terrorism. Though I LOVE Levin's idea to handle these crazy assholes.
Levin, who described himself as third-generation law enforcement, said the "less is more" approach to handling the militants will avoid opportunity for martyrdom or further notoriety.
"When things go south, the first question is always, 'Why didn’t you wait?'" Levin said. "A court order is still valid, and can be executed at a time and place of the government’s convenience. And no one gets killed. And we haven’t given these extremists fodder for their own recruitment efforts."
While a threat exists as long as the militants remain armed, Levin noted federal officials can afford to give the occupants room, since they effectively "put themselves in their own jail" by holing up in a remote and empty building with few snacks.
"Do you want to eat frozen Spam over a half-lit fire in a desolate tundra? Knock yourself out," Levin said. "It’s not like they occupied a resort in Maui.”
And that pretty much looks like what we are seeing go down with the Bundy "patriots" round 2. It's pretty funny watching them rant and fume about the government about to come kick their door down guns blazing (they like to talk about Waco a lot); meanwhile it never happens and they end up sitting in the middle of nowhere in the cold for days on end while the government just plays a game of attrition with them. Idiots.
911 accounts for some or all of the lessening of discontent in the Bush years. Partly out of fear of real terrorist problems and partly out of fear of a government with carte blanche. I think the all clear sounded from the Bankster Bailout, which happened exactly as the parties switched over in 2008.
Which is one of the many benefits the gov got from 911.
When we feel we can’t escape a system, we adapt. That includes feeling okay about things we might otherwise consider undesirable. The authors note one study in which participants were told that men’s salaries in their country are 20% higher than women’s. Rather than implicate an unfair system, those who felt they couldn’t emigrate chalked up the wage gap to innate differences between the sexes. “You’d think that when people are stuck with a system, they’d want to change it more,” says Kay. But in fact, the more stuck they are, the more likely are they to explain away its shortcomings. Finally, a related phenomenon: The less control people feel over their own lives, the more they endorse systems and leaders that offer a sense of order.
The SPLC has become a left wing organization that labels right wing groups, and people with different ideas than left wing as "extremists and hate groups".
originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
But, those groups are "extremists and hate groups."
BTW, because you are pretty much labeling all people with conservative values as "being extremists and haters" you are hating and having an extremist view on the topic...
How would you like to be labeled by the government as "an extremist and hater" for your views on all conservatives?...
WE BELIEVE IN WORKERS’ CULTURE AND WE REPRISE THE BEAUTY OF WORKERS’ CLOTHING.
WE CELEBRATE THE IMAGE OF THE BLUE COLLAR WORKER TO SHIFT SOCIETY’S DESIRES FROM LUXURY TO NECESSITY. DOWN WITH LUXURY! UP THE PRODUCTIVIST WORKSUIT!
WE BELIEVE CLOTHES MUST BE VERSATILE, DURABLE AND ELEGANT. WE LOVE MACHINES,TOOLS AND FUNCTIONALITY.
WE BELIEVE IN BOLD COLOURS, STRONG MATERIALS AND GEOMETRY. WE DISLIKE FRAGILITY, DECORATION AND IMITATING NATURE.
WE REJECT THE COMMODIFICATION OF INDIVIDUALITY THROUGH LUXURY AND SNOBBERY. COMRADETTES PROMOTES THE VALUES OF SOLIDARITY AND THE COLLECTIVE!
originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
First, you post wherever I said that I hate you....
and then tell me again how "extremist and hateful" I am.
Please.
Thanks in advance.
Ha...must be an Italian thing.
originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
sigh
extremist
[ik-stree-mist]
noun
1.
a person who goes to extremes, especially in political matters.
2.
a supporter or advocate of extreme doctrines or practices.
adjective
3.
belonging or pertaining to extremists.
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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
Sorry, but I don't think we are able to communicate. For years you have foamed and spat about how liberals are COMMUNISTS, and communists are EVIL, therefore liberals are EVIL. It's not true.
Shall we review "hater" next?
meh....never mind. Think what you want. I've never suffered fools very well, that is true.
all people who lean to the right in politics as "extremists and even possible terrorists" isn't the very definition of "extremism"?... Really?...