"The Force Awakens" Really Is Feminist Propaganda

a reply to: Profusion

The title of the movie says it all regarding The Force.

Even Lord Snoke says there has been an awakening in The Force. Much like the backstory of Darth Plagueis, where his meddlings with Force Medichlorians led to Anakin.

Rey may be The Force counterbalance to Lord Snoke and Kylo Ren. Luke went AWOL and gave up his direct involvement post his failure with the Jedi Training of Kylo and the deaths of his students.

Luke's lightsaber, actually Anankin's, is what woke up Rey, that and The Force calling for her, like it did with Luke on Degobah in the cave. I have a feeling Luke is somewhat behind the awakening, as I believe his solitary training and Force Mastery shifted to Yoda-like intervention, obvious parallels.

Finn awoke as well. His story is driven by awareness and following the Light. Leia is very in tune as well, sensing Han's death, no surprise there. Kylo is most curious of Rey, and Finn. Lord Snoke wants Rey, as he knows she is special, more Force capable than Kylo, like Darth Sidious with Vader, when he sensed Luke was more Force potent. This theme is congruent with the Saga of Jedi and Sith balances and imbalances.

Kylo had to kill Han to progress, again explained by Palpatine to Anakin, when he killed the Sand People on Tatooine, embracing the Dark Side to do so, and Darth Tyrannus (Count Dooku).

Rey's backstory is very limited, but should be explained. So far, her powers are advanced more than any other Force Sensitive, and hopefully that'll be explained. If her Force adaptability isn't explained, then I'd be inclined to agree with your thinking that Disney has powered a female lead without considering the whole Saga pattern.

I like the movie. I am looking forward to the unveiling of the backstories, and Rey's, Finn's, Kylo's, Luke's, Maz's, Snoke's, & Leia's Force progressions. I believe Rey was placed by Luke on Jakku, as he saved her from The Knights of Ren, knowing her potential. I do not believe she is Luke's daughter, or from the Skywalker line. I believe Luke communed with Yoda and Obi-Won a lot. That'll play into Rey's backstory, and why she was abandoned on Jakku.

originally posted by: Enochstask
a reply to: Profusion

I don't even waste my time with Hollywood crap anymore. It has become nothing but propaganda and a unrealistic view of the world.

This one sums it up pretty good. Why waste your time with something so far off reality.

And you are maybe right or not - it doesn't matter, Hollywood is propaganda or a part of social engineering or however you may call it.

originally posted by: Danowski

originally posted by: Enochstask
a reply to: Profusion

I don't even waste my time with Hollywood crap anymore. It has become nothing but propaganda and a unrealistic view of the world.

This one sums it up pretty good. Why waste your time with something so far off reality.

Escapism, loosing yourself for a brief few moments (2 1/2 hours in this case) before returning to the drab reality of life.

That is unless your life includes space wizards ofc.

originally posted by: Boscov
a reply to: Profusion

The title of the movie says it all regarding The Force.

When you put it like that, I have a totally different problem with the film:

It just essentially wiped out all the other films.

Why?

Because everything we learned about the force and the Jedi from the first six films would be irrelevant. We would have a totally new paradigm and actually, a different reality.

If you're right about that, it would follow the model of what "Terminator: Genisys" did to that series. It was the fifth film in the series and it made the first four films irrelevant. In that case it's even worse because the first four films never even happened.

In this case, the first six films may as well as never happened because everything we learned from them wouldn't apply from Episode 7 on.

Interesting theory you've got there. Do you have any evidence beyond what you wrote to support your theory?

originally posted by: Prezbo369

originally posted by: Danowski

originally posted by: Enochstask
a reply to: Profusion

I don't even waste my time with Hollywood crap anymore. It has become nothing but propaganda and a unrealistic view of the world.

This one sums it up pretty good. Why waste your time with something so far off reality.

Escapism, loosing yourself for a brief few moments (2 1/2 hours in this case) before returning to the drab reality of life.

That is unless your life includes space wizards ofc.

Except for those who have made a religion out of it.

Jediism

Jedi census phenomenon

originally posted by: Profusion
Except for those who have made a religion out of it.

Jediism

Jedi census phenomenon

Yeah there has always been a few folk who cannot separate fact from fiction and waste their lives believing ridiculous s***.

a reply to: Profusion

...or, it's just a movie with a female protagonist. And because it's not the norm, it seems like propoganda?

originally posted by: Prezbo369
a reply to: intrptr

No

Not unless you count Luke and the Taunton..

Or the ice creature on Hoth. That was kinkky…

Anyway, no love scenes is kind of telling.

Everything from the wizard of Oz to alien must be feminist propaganda if star wars is.

Am not sure exactly how it can be anyway; there was a scene of her cooking and all the groundwork in defeating ren had been handled by guys anyway, she just stepped in and mopped up.

a reply to: Profusion

I haven't seen the show but you description seems to be of the hero of the show. Isn't this how heroes, Harry Potter comes to mind but there are others, are described often, whether they are male or female? If every female in the show were portrayed as being more capable than every male, then your rant would have merit. I see no substance to your rant.

I have seen more than my fair share of movies where the male character is TOO perfect. I watch very few movies these days but I did see Jurrasic World and if you want to talk about an overly perfect character that makes you want to gag, the velociraptor trainer due was it. He was the male version of a Mary Sue.

I may be repeating things here but.

1. The female protagonist is a naturally great pilot. With no training or experience she's as good as anyone we've seen at piloting the Millennium Falcon. She was previously a pilot, and spent a lot of time scavenging engine parts and most likely had a very clear idea of the mechanical end of the ship. Also assuming she is Annikins granddaughter, she probably inherited his piloting skills.

2. The female protagonist has more powerful mind tricks than anyone else in the movie (possibly in the history of Star Wars), with no training or experience As one of the only Jedi around during her time period, yes, she was the most powerful in the movie, but in the history of Star Wars? Please. A trained Jedi would have mopped the floor with her.

3. The female protagonist can naturally resist the mind tricks of a Sith Lord, with no training or experience You mean a wannabe Sith with no control over his emotions, therefore no control over his powers?

3. The female protagonist can naturally resist the mind tricks of a Sith Lord, with no training or experience No she went up against a wannabe. Just about anyone can win a fight against someone who is lashing out with out of control emotions.

Ah forget it, I am bored with this conversation. Strong female characters are rare, but overly perfect male characters are a dime a dozen.

Look at a real-life person who had special powers: Edgar Cayce. Nobody trained him to go into a trance and diagnose people's illnesses and prescribe treatments for them. Nobody trained him to do any of the remarkable things he was able to do. He just knew how to do these things even though he was raised in the 19th century rural South and had a limited education. Some people, after many lifetimes develop unusual abilities.

Sal

a reply to: Profusion

a reply to: Profusion

It wasn't feminist propaganda at all. we can have powerful women protagonists without having to pretend it is her gender giving her those powers. She used to force, not the feminist mystique.

a reply to: Profusion

not really feminist propaganda more just poor writing. Probably my biggest problem with the movie is how Rey is uber powerful.

I gotta ask a question here.

Does a strong female character scare you?

I sense a great disturbance...

originally posted by: Prezbo369
a reply to: Ghost147

Wtf?

I think you're confusing me with someone else....?

Oh wait, yeah. lol, thought you were the OP for a moment. I had little sleep last night. I was referring to the OP in the thread itself

a reply to: darkbake
Then it begins to sound more like another remake.
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originally posted by: Boscov
This theme is congruent with the Saga of Jedi and Sith balances and imbalances.

Actually it's always about imbalance, not balance

The prophecy was that Anakin was supposed to bring balance to the force, but there was never nothing going to be a balance, either he wiped out the Jedi making the Sith the dominant force or he wiped out the Sith making the Jedi the dominant force

There can only be a balance in the force when there is both dark and light side wielders, yet the films always aim to bring an imbalance to the light side of the force and claim that as balance when it clearly is not.

That's one thing that's always annoyed me, the use of the word balance when it's refering to one dominant side of the force which as far away from balance as you can get

Feminism - is a socialist, anti-family, political movement that encourages woman to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians

Pat Robertson

Darn you Alice for turning me gay and skinning my husband and feeding him to his ungrateful brats

Spoilers and possible spoilers.

Lets just call this a hunch. But I think the OP's whole premise will be made invalid by the next movie. The argument that the movie is uber feminist hinges on Rey being untrained. I am pretty sure that Rey was trained.

She will end up being one of the students trained at Luke's jedi academy before it was ruined and Luke went into hiding. She was made to forget who she is and dropped on Jakku, maybe because she is Luke's daughter, maybe not. That is why she knows how to do everything already. She was a youngling. The age she was dropped on Jakku, she would of already begun her training. She just does not remember it consciously. A line cut from the movie but left in the official book adaption. Is Kylo Ren telling Rey, It is you, or something along those lines, when they are fighting. Implying that he knows who she is. Maybe because they trained together under Luke.

Also, Kylo Ren is not a Sith Lord. He is not even a sith aprentice like Darth Vader was. He is a half trained darkside force user who is possibly being groomed to be a sith apprentice. In the larger sense he is a sith. But there is a difference between believing in, lets say the sith religion and being a Sith Lord. Palpatine was a sith lord. Vader, Maul, Dooku, were his apprentices. Dark side force users like the Inquisitors from Star Wars rebels, or the Knights of Ren from the Force Awakens, are followers of the sith religion.

Kylo Ren was not even taught how to make a proper lightsaber. That is how little training he has had so far. The fight between Rey and Kylo Ren was essentially a fight between two talented amateurs. The fight probably would of went Kylo's way if he was not just shot by Chewie.

yes we dont know her back story but even her father is skywalker even he had to train to use the force. lol Tosh.0 says it all