"The Force Awakens" Really Is Feminist Propaganda

a reply to: Profusion

And yet, you seem to think that everyone who has the potential to be a Jedi has the same starting point.

I feel that you're grasping at straws.

originally posted by: Prezbo369
a reply to: Ghost147

Sure, as any hero of either sex doesto those around them...my point was that for some reason Ripley never attracts/has attracted such claims of feminist propaganda despite being a BAMF

If you go back to my OP, I stated that I despised "modern Feminism". Do you agree that modern day feminism is basically a form of bullying, rather than simply about equal rights?

If yes, then you'll realize that in 1979, when Alien came out, Modern feminism as it exists today did not exist back then.

If it did, Alien would be receiving a massive response in the likes you're doing to this film. Why? Because the writer/director intentionally made the character female for the purpose of gender-equality futurism!

a reply to: Ghost147

Like I said, maybe it's a sign of the times...

originally posted by: nullafides
a reply to: Profusion

And yet, you seem to think that everyone who has the potential to be a Jedi has the same starting point.

I feel that you're grasping at straws.

Yes, each one has had different time spans of training.

originally posted by: Prezbo369
a reply to: Ghost147

Like I said, maybe it's a sign of the times...

Except that your OP only exists because you're perceiving there to be a gender issue with The Force Awakens, where in reality, nothing you said actually means anything because the issues still exist if the character was male.

a reply to: Ghost147

Wtf?

I think you're confusing me with someone else....?

a reply to: Profusion

Have you seen the prequels? The Jedi and Sith are a lot better at lightsaber duels than Rey, who is still a beginner with the ligthsaber. Even Kylo Ren is basically a beginner with his lightsaber in comparison to Darth Maul or someone similar. A lot of Rey's abilities really hinge on her being Luke's daughter and having the bloodline of Anakin in her. Anakin was immaculately conceived by the force, and had an extremely high midichlorian count that would be passed on to his ancestors. This would mean a high natural aptitude with the force, which allows for intuitive abilities such as being a natural pilot.

Anakin had these abilities too, being the only human able to pilot a podracer (and a young one, at that), although it was made clear that he had not even finished a race before the one featured in the movie, he was still a lot younger than Rey.

If Rey is not Luke's daughter or Leia's daughter, then her abilities would need some explaining.

originally posted by: reldra
a reply to: Profusion

There are a lot of fan discussions on the internet as to why she might have these skills. I don't think this is propaganda of any kind.

I think it will be reveled that Ray is Luke's daughter.

a reply to: Nickn3

Thats my bet

originally posted by: Profusion

originally posted by: gosseyn
a reply to: Profusion

How many movies have we seen in which the hero is a male character with the same awesome qualities as that female character you speak about ? It's the same fantasy routine whether it's a man or a woman.

You have to put it into the context of "Star Wars"...

A huge part of the plot of all the films is how hard it is learn to become a Jedi or a Sith, to learn how to master the force.

That's why I'm calling it feminist propaganda. "The Force Awakens" has almost a subliminal message IMHO, the female didn't need to do what the males did. Again, it's the basis of feminism today in my opinion.

And, outside of superhero films and silly movies such as the James Bond films, I can't think of a movie where a character is like what you're describing. I mean, if "Star Wars" under Disney is going to be a bunch of silly movies like the James Bond films, that's a soul-crushing disappointment to me personally. It looks like it is going in that direction though.

You're right on one thing : it's the general dumbing down of society in general that is to blame. Why would producers bother with complexity if the herd of calves are ready to pay to watch the dumbest of things. We have capitalism to thank for that.

I am sure that if the main character had been a man, we would have seen the exact same dumbing down.

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: zazzafrazz
a reply to: reldra

The post is separate from the person who thought it and wrote it? It exists as its own entity?

Yes, actually.

This is the truth - an important thing to realize is that an argument made by a person is its own entity and should be dealt with by itself. The person should not be attacked in order to debase the argument. They are separate entities.

originally posted by: Gothmog

Hey , did someone lose a hand and get made a bad- artificial one ?

C-3PO did...

I wonder what people would of said about Luke, being a whiney millennial with a crush on his sister back after A new hope in the 70s.

a reply to: woodwardjnr

Having lived through it, there was many a joke made about it back in the day

Has star wars ever had a love scene?

I don't mean a kiss behind symphony music either. I haven't seen the new one.