The end of the protestant heresy

a reply to: Ignatian

It's catholic. And the correct, apostolic,catholic teaching, resides within The Catholic Church.

Every non-Catholic Christian church contains some truth. But, The Catholic Church contains the fullness of Truth. Why nibble at the hors d'oeuvres, when the entire banquet is available? Come on in!

A lot of Blood was served at your banquet, at the Edge of The Sword, Inquisitions come to mind, or the buying and selling of Popes in the Middle ages. You follow Pauline heresy, a convert who had an epiphany on the road to Damascus, enforced and formalized by Constantine, a ruthless Emperor . The old Roman Empire is alive and well

a reply to: Ignatian

The Mother of God.

Stop right there...Go back ....do not pass Go... do not collect $200. You do not follow the words of Jesus.

a reply to: Ignatian

founded by Jesus Christ was The Catholic Church. One...Holy...catholic...and Apostolic

Again...you miss the mark ( trans: sin = missing the mark ) Jesus was a Jew, dare i say an Essene. What you follow is Pauline heresy, Mithraic Zoroastrian gravy on a bed of Hebrew Torah rice.

originally posted by: markosity1973
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

No problems

We Catholics do believe in the same things the wider Christian church does. We know that the church will fall - it was predicted to do so and it is happening now.

We know that it has gotten rotten to the core - also forewarned in the messages from Fatima. We even know that there is a great apostasy happening within it, bishops rising against bishops, priests against priests. And that's why we know a forced one world religion cannot come from within our walls - too much infighting and too much corruption.

I have to tell you, that's a far cry from what some Catholics on other sites have stated!! Refreshing, though. ALL of the churches, practically, have slipped to one degree or another. There might be a small one here and there that's on track, but they are rare, these days. Overall, all denominations have some problems. There are some big differences among different types of Baptist churches, for example. Southern and American Baptists are not really the same, at all. Thus, there can be disagreements such as those you describe in the Catholic Church. Sign of the times, all of that!

Whatever the one world religion is called, and however it is constructed, Satan will be the focus, though some will surely delude themselves into believing he's something other than who and what he is.

I do remember reading about someone at the Vatican who spoke out about serious problems there, even claiming some were practicing Satanic worship, though I can't recall the details. That's a heavy claim! On the same note, I have seen videos of some churches doing things that looked like flat out demonic possession, and claiming it was something from God, too. Crazy days we live in, eh?

The Fatima stuff is odd, to me. From what I read, it was more like some sort of UFO-type thing, or even a demonic visitation. No matter what I read, it was always very strange-sounding. What is it about that which makes people believe it's something to consider as some sort of prophecy? For me, prophecy has to agree with the Scriptures, or it's not true. In that case, reading online gives so many interpretations, it's hard to sort t all out. As a Catholic, what does it mean to you? What do Catholics believe happened, etc??

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Depends on the person. Some are, and some likely are not.

Whut?

No. It does not "depend" on the person. CATHOLICS are CHRISTIANS.

For you, what is meant by being Christian? That seems to be the point where we might disagree. For me, being Christian means making a personal decision to accept Jesus as God and Savior. Church attendance and behavior don't make one Christian. That means ANY church, as far as I am concerned, to be clear. Someone could attend the local Baptist church, go every week, sing in the choir, give regularly, and never make that decision, thus meaning they were not actually Christian by faith. That said just to make it clear I mean for any church member, not just Catholics. I am 100% certain I have net such people, some of whom were pretty nasty if you could see through the fake practices.

originally posted by: BubbaJoe
I did somewhat miss your point, I don't buy into the Nostradamus nonsense either.

As far as my personal experiences, I actively participated in the Christian faith, for about the first half of my 55 year. I participated in several protestant denominations as well as catholicism, have lived in several different parts of the country, and to this day, have fundie family members that are in my life daily. I would agree that most don't go around killing and stealing, but many I know or have known, do not live a godly life, or even attempt to once they exit the doors of the church.

The ones on the adult web site actually caused my already somewhat jaded jaw to drop.

Good to hear! He's too vague, and it's too difficult to even hear an actual translation of his writings to lend any credence to his claims.
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When you say "participated", I assume you mean regular church attendance and the like? That's all fine and good, but there is more to Christianity than that. Real Christianity means accepting that Jesus is God, and that His shed blood can cleanse of of our sins. I''d guess you know the lingo, or should, but do you know what it really means? It isn't about tithing, or attendance, or Sunday school, or whatever. It's a very personal decision. The places I attended as a child, every single Sunday morning service included an invitation. Everyone was encouraged, if they hadn't done so already, to accept Jesus. Since childhood, I have attended places that did not include an invitation, which seriously bothered me. The whole point is supposed to be showing people the way to salvation, and some churches aren't doing that. If you want to talk in PMs about this, I am glad to do so. Here works as well, but that's up to you.

I don know what you mean about some church people not living as they should. All can and will slip now and then, of course, but some don't even make an effort. "Adult" websites...wow...I know some do get involved, but you'd think they would know better! Some cheat, too, and do other things they shouldn't. Some do once or twice, and repent, which is one thing, but others act as though they aren't doing anything wrong. Those are the ones who are the real problem. Anyone can mess up. Been there, done that. God and I worked those things out. Those that see no need to repent, I would wonder if they were actually saved. I have actually net a few people in churches that I am certain were not. In one case, one of those was a pastor. New guy that came in, and there was something very off about the guy, very shady. The whole church changed, and most old members left. Another case, the person was more what I'd call a "mole"; someone pretending to be Christian, but all the while stirring up trouble. Their colors showed during a meeting of ministry groups once. That was disturbing.

So. I can see not trusting the churches, and that's coming from a Southern Baptist girl, here! There are problems in a lot of them. Churches aside, though, how you personally feel about God, and how you deal with the salvation issue, is all up to you. You don't need a church for that. I don't attend one right now, because there isn't one around that is right. I won't go to a place, just to go, when they have doctrinal issues or other big problems. Makes me a "bad" Baptist I suppose, but, oh, well. Church is for learning, worship, and sharing the Gospel, and if one isn't all that, it isn't a place I want to be.

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Well, maybe from the OP, who uses non-Scriptural writing to talk about others being "heretics".

You could even go deeper and see the so called scriptural official version for what it is....A tool to control your Mind and your soul


All Roads lead to Rome
www.abovetopsecret.com...


Yahweh = Satan. They have you worshiping evil.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Which "official version" would that be? There are many translations, and they don't all agree. Some are seriously off, in fact. What you refer to is more religion than faith. These are not the same. The religious folks of the day didn't like Jesus one bit. Religion is simply a practice of some belief or another. Faith is something else entirely.

That last? No, no one has me worshiping anyone. My faith is between me and God, not dependent on some church or other.

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Lol, I grew up in church where you were taught about forming a personal relationship with Christ, but there was no call to come forward, ever. It was held to be a personal thing, private. You could always talk with the pastor if you felt you needed or wanted, but there was no invitation.

When I did attend a church that had one with a boy friend in high school, I felt frightfully out of place and embarrassed. That felt so public and wrong about something that to me had always been so personal and private. Yes, we talk about it, but making a public ordeal out of it like that ... had I had to do that I never would have done it.

originally posted by: Ignatian
*snip*
Protesting heretics- 450 years old. 40,000+ denominations, all with their own versions.

List, please. I see this claim all the time, and not one person making it can provide a lit of even a thousand, much less the 40,000+ claimed.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Lol, I grew up in church where you were taught about forming a personal relationship with Christ, but there was no call to come forward, ever. It was held to be a personal thing, private. You could always talk with the pastor if you felt you needed or wanted, but there was no invitation.

When I did attend a church that had one with a boy friend in high school, I felt frightfully out of place and embarrassed. That felt so public and wrong about something that to me had always been so personal and private. Yes, we talk about it, but making a public ordeal out of it like that ... had I had to do that I never would have done it.

Well, your church did teach it, at least. Some I have been in, they didn't really do so. Or, one pastor did, then left, and whoever came in didn't. What we were taught was that the decision is personal, and one can make it in private. The coming forward is more about sharing that decision, and usually wanting to be baptized. That is done as a declaration of faith, a statement of sorts. It's symbolic. No one had to walk down and tell everyone, though' it's just something most did. I have always really loved those moments, sharing in the blessing f yet another person coming into the fold. The angels rejoice at those times, and we can as well.

But, private still works! Only God needs to know, and He will always know! The real decision, even if someone goes forward, is made in the pew, or earlier, elsewhere. The best pastors I have known made it clear someone could decide totally in private, and the invitations were as much to encourage that as any public pronouncement. One pastor I know actually did away with offering plates, placing a box in the foyer, so no one felt pressured who was visiting.

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

Mary is not the mother of God? Don't you read and follow the bible? I assumed you were a Christian.

It's not true cuz it's in the bible. It's in the bible cuz it's true.

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

If I had to list them all, I'd be here til the day I died. And I doubt there's enough bandwidth. Every few blocks, there's another one, each with their own version.

Authority is a good thing. But lots of people don't like authority. They have an aversion to it.

I am Catholic, because it is The Truth, the fullness of Truth. Other denominations only have a portion of Truth. Jesus set up a church as a visible sign for people to see..."a city on the hill". A visible, physical entity. That's The Catholic Church. Take a look at all that scripture I layed out for Disraeli. It's all right there.

Where do you go if you have questions? Are you sure you're reading scripture correctly? Have the right meaning, that the whole Church agrees upon? Stuff that's been argued endlessly forever? Or do you just leave it to your own interpretation? Does it ever bother you, thinking you might be wrong? The Catholic Church produced the bible for the whole world for a reason.

"The pillar of Truth". Take a look at 1 Timothy 3:15. A "church" is necessary. Jesus wanted it that way.

We were all Catholic til the Protestant reformation.

originally posted by: Ignatian
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

If I had to list them all, I'd be here til the day I died. And I doubt there's enough bandwidth. Every few blocks, there's another one, each with their own version. /quote]

Not good enough. Try a source. Lat person that did listed a wiki page that had a few hundred, and claimed that was their source. Surely, with the "40,000" c;aim tossed around so often, there is an actual source for that number. Otherwise, we have to assume the number is simply pulled out of someone's hat, and is less than honest or accurate.

originally posted by: Ignatian
Authority is a good thing. But lots of people don't like authority. They have an aversion to it.

Whose authority? I have no problem with God's. Many people, on the other hand.....

originally posted by: Ignatian
I am Catholic, because it is The Truth, the fullness of Truth. Other denominations only have a portion of Truth. Jesus set up a church as a visible sign for people to see..."a city on the hill". A visible, physical entity. That's The Catholic Church. Take a look at all that scripture I layed out for Disraeli. It's all right there.

Repeating the mantra doesn't make it so. Many here have pointed out what the Bible, the Word of God, actually says on the subject. When someone disagrees with God's Word, I'll stick with God.

originally posted by: Ignatian
Where do you go if you have questions? Are you sure you're reading scripture correctly? Have the right meaning, that the whole Church agrees upon? Stuff that's been argued endlessly forever? Or do you just leave it to your own interpretation? Does it ever bother you, thinking you might be wrong? The Catholic Church produced the bible for the whole world for a reason.

I go to the source, to the Word God gave us. The same Word that the RCC tried to prevent people from owning for a long time. Yes, I am sure. I can use a concordance for any questions about usage; it's not difficult. I also have the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Churches after Christ came didn't have priests, you know.

originally posted by: Ignatian
"The pillar of Truth". Take a look at 1 Timothy 3:15. A "church" is necessary. Jesus wanted it that way.

The churches in the New testament were local gatherings of believers, coming together to worship and share their faith, and help one another. They were not, nor were they ever intended to be, hierarchical organizations controlling the people in large numbers.

originally posted by: Ignatian
We were all Catholic til the Protestant reformation.

No, "we" were not. If that was so, who were all of those "heretics" killed during the Inquisition and other times? That was done under the authority of the church you claim is the "fulness of truth". Sorry, no; Jesus never said to slaughter people who didn't accept Him.

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: chr0naut


Dont forget the Staff Of Moses, but that wasn't using black magic or was it?


en.wikipedia.org...

According to the Book of Exodus in the Bible, the staff used by Moses (Hebrew: מַטֶּה‎ matteh, translated "rod" in the King James Bible) was by his side throughout important milestones in the narrative. Among these milestone events or "miracles of the exodus" the Bible describes that the staff was used to produce water from a rock, was transformed into a snake and back, and was used at the parting of the Red Sea.[1] Whether or not Moses' staff was the same as that used by his brother Aaron (known as Aaron's rod) has been debated by rabbinical scholars.

Moses staff was not used for divination. Moses also made no special incantations to give the staff its powers. I wasn't "magic".

a reply to: Ignatian

You're going to have to try harder than that, no esoteric books required, common knowledge...if you care to remove the scales from your eyes.

Note Christian Bishops NOT Catholic

en.wikipedia.org...
The First Council of Nicaea (/naɪˈsiːə/; Greek: Νίκαια [ˈni:kaɪja]) was a council of Christian bishops convened in Nicaea in Bithynia by the Roman Emperor Constantine I in AD 325. This first ecumenical council was the first effort to attain consensus in the church through an assembly representing all of Christendom.[5] It was presided over by Hosius of Corduba, a bishop from the West.

Date 20 May to 19 Jun, AD 325
Accepted by
Assyrian Church of the East
Catholics
Eastern Orthodox
Oriental Orthodox
Most Protestant Denominations

But, The Catholic Church contains the fullness of Truth. Why nibble at the hors d'oeuvres, when the entire banquet is available? Come on in!

Truth based on forgeries - the banquet would give you food poisoning!

en.wikipedia.org...

The first Roman emperor to claim conversion to Christianity,[notes 4] Constantine played an influential role in the proclamation of the Edict of Milan in 313, which decreed tolerance for Christianity in the empire. He called the First Council of Nicaea in 325

Constantine—as possibly the first Christian emperor (although that title could possibly go to Philip the Arab)—is a significant figure in the history of Christianity. The Church of the Holy Sepulchre, built on his orders at the purported site of Jesus' tomb in Jerusalem, became the holiest place in Christendom. The Papal claim to temporal power was based on the supposed Donation of Constantine

So it hangs by a thread...the so called succession of the Catholic Church....The Donation of Constantine'...a forgery!

en.wikipedia.org...

Donation of Constantine
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This article is about the forged imperial decree. For the painting inspired by the decree, see The Donation of Constantine (painting).

A 13th-century fresco of Sylvester and Constantine, showing the purported Donation. Santi Quattro Coronati, Rome
The Donation of Constantine (Latin: Donatio Constantini)Text[1] Lorenzo Valla, an Italian Catholic priest and Renaissance humanist, is credited with first exposing the forgery with solid philological arguments in 1439–1440,[2] although the document's authenticity had been repeatedly contested since 1001.[1]

a reply to: Ignatian

. Most of these folks were practicing, devout Jews. They went to synagogue, they followed many of the 600+ mosaic laws, they acknowledged the Sabbath, etc, etc. BUT. They also snuck off on Sunday, The Lord's day, to listen to the gospel, the awesome stuff Jesus taught,

So these Gentile/Jews/ Proto Christians worshipped on a sunday - to listen to the gospel....why Sunday and what gospel were they using? The Talmud or Essene teachings?

You're really clasping at straws now - at least get your dates right...you can back up any of what you just said?

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Which "official version" would that be

The bible of course...

The religious folks of the day didn't like Jesus one bit. Religion is simply a practice of some belief or another. Faith is something else entirely.

There is sufficient evidence that the man Jesus, was a practising Jew. He never came to start a new religion or to be worshipped. You just have to read his words and see. The old Roman Pagan Empire, became the New Christianity.

a reply to: Ignatian

Mary is not the mother of God? Don't you read and follow the bible? I assumed you were a Christian.

To correct you I used to be a Christian, now I try to help others see that they are following the Old Roman Empire - aka Christianity.

I'm interested where it states in the bible that she was the Mother of God...and to pre-empt your answer also biblical proof as to dogma of the Trinity, I'll be waiting

a reply to: Phage

Really we have a prophesy that a muslim army will march on London - why, the world has moved on and the muslims have moved in already.

a reply to: Ignatian

Jesus set up a church as a visible sign for people to see..."a city on the hill". A visible, physical entity

Your being disingenuous...dare I say...outright lying. Why dont you come clean...I suspect you identify with Ignatius of Loyola...are you a Jesuit?