I used to believe in Jesus Christ but now I don't.

a reply to: vethumanbeing

does not need to create me to define itself

Defining and experiencing are two different things.

a reply to: Spider879

like is there a universal consciousness??

I believe there is. One consciousness split in infinite fractal fragments. So, you are ONE.

Life is simple, do what you want. You don't have to believe anything but you will have to atone to YOURSELF in the end, so if you do good things most of your life you will find your review a breeze. If not, well, you'll have to experience the pain and suffering you caused others. Your choice. LOVE man, LOVE

a reply to: zazzafrazz

Why is telling of one's own experience considered preaching? Atheist or believers are going to share their own experiences and opinions are they not? Are you offended by someone's else experience with God? If so, does that not mean you're being biased and one sided?

a reply to: shinethelight

No there is definitely preaching going on. Not simply experience sharing as you put it, If you cant see that, then I can't aay anything more *shrugs shoulders*

People are more interested in convincing themselves they have made the right choice in terms of religion under the guise of convincing someone else.

a reply to: zazzafrazz

You are spot on with that, perhaps with the exception that it is certainly not limited to "believers." Everyone does it, it just feels more offensive and blatant when it is an opposing viewpoint and viewpoints that agree are seen as benign and unbiased. Our minds are goofy like that.

Geez, I think its important in these matters to truly seek your own answers. This can be done in so, so many ways. I think the most important part is to never stop growing. All of the thought prisons in mainstream society are designed to keep people staunchly stagnant and combative.

I agree that we are here to build such a different world. We may get there, eventually, as long as people of good heart eschew the desire to be 'right' at the expense of a better world.

We have never really learned how to coexist with those that think differently. Instead, we group with those we perceive as like-minded and then proceed to become an echo chamber. A chamber that focuses on strengthening the groups narrative through eliminating individuality.

We don't need to do that, but its a hard habit to break when so many don't even realize they participate and contribute to the unhealthy system.

So, geez, whats next for you?

originally posted by: zazzafrazz
a reply to: shinethelight

No there is definitely preaching going on. Not simply experience sharing as you put it, If you cant see that, then I can't aay anything more *shrugs shoulders*

People are more interested in convincing themselves they have made the right choice in terms of religion under the guise of convincing someone else.

That's my impression as well. There are many who come here to try on hats, if you will.

I used to think I believed in Jesus.
Then I forgot him. But went looking for him one day.
He put a spook on me that lasted 54 days.
I didn't find out till about the 5th or 6th day.

He's frigging real!

Guys, I love each and every one of you so much right now like seriously you’ve all put a rainbow in my heart. And I just want to say that I don’t feel preached to, honestly, in fact I think it’s all very endearing because it shows a certain level of caring specific to each ones beliefs and no one has been really hateful at all.

Someone asked what really shook me ajar? Well I mentioned part of it in the OP(when I was little, the vision). If you can understand then you will understand. If you can’t, you won’t. No big deal. But I’ll try to expound on it. More recently, yet still connected to the vision when I was young, it was the day that I realized I had been denying entire parts of my own reality that the foundation of my entire existence began to crack. When you catch yourself lying to yourself so securely that you only find out by accident…… you have no choice but to question everything that you ever thought you knew.

And basically that’s the gist of it.

I really don’t believe in God anymore in the same way that I used to, because now I know what our minds are truly capable of. We can lie to ourselves without knowing that we’re doing it and it is the greatest and the most mysterious self betrayal that I have ever encountered in my life. We can deny entire parts of reality, whatever’s too uncomfortable for us basically, or whatever that doesn't match up with our default perspective (extreme cognitive dissonance can lead to denial of certain parts of reality).

And I’m not going to tell you that I was abused a lot, because I wasn’t. I had a happy childhood, with a weird vision of God and other small strange things that kind of haunted me for many years and made me feel different. I believed very strongly in God not because I was miserable, but because of the initial vision I had, and the remarkable coincidental events and powerful messages that basically, in retrospect, came from myself (my own dreams, an “inner” voice, pattern recognition).

Now I’m sure some of you, no doubt, have been conditioned to become triggered upon certain messages and immediately want to deny the idea that God is so internal that maybe God is us. That... just maybe the small inner voice that we hear in the stillness of our own minds... is actually our own. And maybe we manipulate reality, literally(look at what we’ve done to the earth- what we are doing to our bodies, etc). And just maybe we are responsible for what happens so maybe we should take credit! And reap the consequences! And maybe we should learn to love one another and our environment so the credit and the consequences are more positive in nature than negative! If that’s satanic then so be it.

And no my dears, I won’t stand here any longer and be told that I’m a filthy flesh monster full of sin or that I should be ashamed because I was born human. So don’t go there please! As far as I know I had no choice being born. And even if I did choose, then I chose to be human and I’m going to love being human and I’m going to love my life from this day onward and I’m going to love other humans and their lives too and that means loving the sh-t out of the “rotten” flesh that we are… and if that sends me to hell then so be it!

And again I know no one’s really asking to listen to what I have to say and I considered private messaging the one who asked for more of an explanation, but I figured maybe someone might read this and get it on a deeper level. And it might mean something to them, so I’m leaving it up.

Again, thank you to everyone who has given me your time! I read everything carefully and I love some of you a very lot from a distance.

originally posted by: zazzafrazz
Why do believers come here and try preach to the OP?

Why do unbelievers come here and try to preach?

“Why is it that anyone thinks they’re entitled to go through life without ever being offended?” ~ Randy Cassingham

The man who tells the truth is universally disliked by every person because every person has an agenda and is hiding behind a fantasy which the truth penetrates like an arrow and leaves him stripped naked before the whole universe, and he does not like that." ~ Milton William Cooper

“Hypocrites get offended by the truth.” ~ Jess C. Scott

How much do you have to hate somebody to believe that everlasting life is possible and not tell them that? ~ Penn Jillette

Impuning the motives of one’s political opponents, rather than engaging in civilized debate, is an age-old strategy of socialists and other left-wing extremists. ~ Thomas J. DiLorenzo

“This is slavery, not to speak one's thought.” ~ Euripides

You Don't Have the Right to 'Not be Offended'

a reply to: Murgatroid

That's a lot of effort you put into that post.
But..... the OP stated she is an unbeliever now, so asking why believers feel the need to preach to her for their own sake or her was a genuine question. Your reply to me is nothing more than a hissy tantrum against "liberals" and kinda totally off topic....yawn.

Having been raised Roman Catholic and also attending catechism class the whole mythology of Jesus did not make any sense to me when I was 6, let alone as an adult.

All organized religion is bull. Hail Cthulhu!!!

originally posted by: Murgatroid

I fail to see how using a graphic which is so clearly dishonest helps your credibility.

What about Liberal Christians??? Do they hate themselves???

What about the Conservative Christians who express hate and intolerance toward others???

I think you should get a new graphic that represent the honest truth instead of lie simply to justify your bias.

a reply to: mOjOm

At least you kinda understood what Murgatroid was posting about....I just read something totally out there and and a random cranky pants post against liberals. People find any way anyhow to slam someone with an opposing ideology, no matter the subject.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Hail Cthulhu!!

lol.

a reply to: geezlouise

Our Augustus Masonicus may not be Cthulhu, but spawned of....for sure

a reply to: zazzafrazz

I understand most of it is his typical liberal bashing double standard combined with Christian apologist messages. There was obviously more I could have included but thought I'd keep it simple and direct.

He won't listen to any of it anyway.

originally posted by: donktheclown
a reply to: vethumanbeing

vhb: does not need to create me to define itself

donk: Defining and experiencing are two different things.

So, we are a just a reflection of a (not real) something just wishing were more like the 'Velveteen Rabbit' that became a 'real rabbit' because intent overruled potential destiny (the trash can).

originally posted by: zazzafrazz
Our Augustus Masonicus may not be Cthulhu, but spawned of....for sure

Thank you!!!

a reply to: geezlouise

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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

lol!