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originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
Big corps makes billions of dollard in profit, get away with barely paying any taxes,'then close shop and go to third world countries to have there product produced.
But yea its the poor guys fault he wants a wage to survive.
originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
Big corps makes billions of dollard in profit, get away with barely paying any taxes,'then close shop and go to third world countries to have there product produced.
But yea its the poor guys fault he wants a wage to survive.
Big corps makes billions of dollard in profit, get away with barely paying any taxes,'then close shop and go to third world countries to have there product produced.
But yea its the poor guys fault he wants a wage to survive.
It goes like this OP.
More than half of the people in this country are in poverty or just barely above it.
'
Despite work ethic etc.....
Many of the service sector companies and retail outlets make hundreds of millions or even billions a year in profits.
If say walmart is pulling down $6,000,000 in profits, because they are paying their employees so little that just to live and feed themselves they require tax payer money, why should walmart even exist at all?
Because without the corporate welfare check the GOV cuts them in the form of welfare for their employees, they wouldnt even exist at all, because nobody would work there at all.
Because nobody is going to work 40 hours a week just to starve to death.
In short, the business model of all these low wage places is obviously flawed, thus they should be shut down, so a business with a valid model that doesnt require GOV welfare to earn their profits can take their place.
And make no mistake. Walmart doesnt create jobs, neither does mcdonalds.
Demand creates jobs.
There is a demand for fast food and retail items, someone will take their place gladly, with a model that doesnt require welfare wages so they can make billions, when they could make millions and pay a decent wage to all.
I know seems complicated.
But when a first world country, the richest by far in the world, has 1/2 its work force in poverty there is an obvious problem.
The issue isnt a shortage of resources. There is more than enough for all to live quite well.
It is a glut of greed by the few with the most.
I cant believe this actually needs explaining honestly.
This isnt the dark ages where there is simply not enough, this is modern times, there is more than enough.
In America today we actually have company owners that have more compared to their employees who are doing all the profit generating work, than the kings of Europe did compared to their serfs.
In fact, the last time in the west the gap was this wide Mary Antoinette said "let them eat cake" not long before they cut her head off.
Some of us would like to solve this problem before it gets that far.
Not sit back and say "well I got mine, too bad for them".
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: dukeofjive696969
Big corps makes billions of dollard in profit, get away with barely paying any taxes,'then close shop and go to third world countries to have there product produced.
But yea its the poor guys fault he wants a wage to survive.
Then give him a good wage. Hire him and pay him what you think he deserves. But to expect others to do it where you yourself will not is utterly ridiculous.
originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
Big corps makes billions of dollard in profit, get away with barely paying any taxes,'then close shop and go to third world countries to have there product produced.
But yea its the poor guys fault he wants a wage to survive.
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: dukeofjive696969
Big corps makes billions of dollard in profit, get away with barely paying any taxes,'then close shop and go to third world countries to have there product produced.
But yea its the poor guys fault he wants a wage to survive.
Then give him a good wage. Hire him and pay him what you think he deserves. But to expect others to do it where you yourself will not is utterly ridiculous.
originally posted by: RomeByFire
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: dukeofjive696969
Big corps makes billions of dollard in profit, get away with barely paying any taxes,'then close shop and go to third world countries to have there product produced.
But yea its the poor guys fault he wants a wage to survive.
Then give him a good wage. Hire him and pay him what you think he deserves. But to expect others to do it where you yourself will not is utterly ridiculous.
I.E. The Waltons - I was not born into a family that owns own of the wealthiest commercial-retailers/grocers in existence.
How - in your right mind - would you expect me, to open up a mom and pop grocery store, and compete with that? Are you kidding me, you do know where their HEIRS stand on the worlds richest?
One of them, in an interview, said that (and I paraphrase); "My brothers and I would often discuss at the dinner table what we can do to make this world a better place."
How many of your full-time employees are currently on government-assistance? Of that percentage - how many are accredited and degree-required positions?
"Pull yourself up from your bootstraps," has been whined and dined and resulted in greater nets of poverty (national fiscal debt), as well as the common American citizen.
You want to know who hasn't suffered? Who hasn't had student loan interest rate increase? Car rates?
There are some, sure - too many, absolutely - that have a mindset of delusional selfishness, I DESERVE this or that - but, that does not make up the whole.
I worked with a guy who worked full-time at one job as management, and as a part-time waiter as another. You folks can call them all lazy if you will, but I absolutely guarantee - this dude would run your ass down the ground if you weren't working, and he was THE hardest, and most respectful manager I've worked under.
Oh yeah - he had two different degrees too. But hey, he should've went to school for something else, amirite? That's what they always tell me, I can't wait to hear the next line of excuses!
Some of the hardest working people I met were working minimum wage jobs, and some of the laziest I met happened to be those at the top of the food chain. A matter of fact, after witnessing two of my bosses both conversing for thirty minutes - and I needed to be off at precisely the time I was scheduled to be off in order to get my girlfriend to her job (one vehicle at the moment) - I took it upon myself to leave, as I had been there for an additional thirty minutes, and needless to say, I won't be returning.
But hey - when I'm supposed to work until a certain time - and it's EXPLICITY stated beforehand that I cannot stay later than my scheduled times - and is posted at multiple places, that time is actually variable? I understand that to a degree - but try not to be The Grinch, and have a heart for other people.
Something that's been lost in the art of business in today's America.
originally posted by: RomeByFire
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: dukeofjive696969
Big corps makes billions of dollard in profit, get away with barely paying any taxes,'then close shop and go to third world countries to have there product produced.
But yea its the poor guys fault he wants a wage to survive.
Then give him a good wage. Hire him and pay him what you think he deserves. But to expect others to do it where you yourself will not is utterly ridiculous.
I.E. The Waltons - I was not born into a family that owns own of the wealthiest commercial-retailers/grocers in existence.
How - in your right mind - would you expect me, to open up a mom and pop grocery store, and compete with that? Are you kidding me, you do know where their HEIRS stand on the worlds richest?
One of them, in an interview, said that (and I paraphrase); "My brothers and I would often discuss at the dinner table what we can do to make this world a better place."
How many of your full-time employees are currently on government-assistance? Of that percentage - how many are accredited and degree-required positions?
"Pull yourself up from your bootstraps," has been whined and dined and resulted in greater nets of poverty (national fiscal debt), as well as the common American citizen.
You want to know who hasn't suffered? Who hasn't had student loan interest rate increase? Car rates?
There are some, sure - too many, absolutely - that have a mindset of delusional selfishness, I DESERVE this or that - but, that does not make up the whole.
I worked with a guy who worked full-time at one job as management, and as a part-time waiter as another. You folks can call them all lazy if you will, but I absolutely guarantee - this dude would run your ass down the ground if you weren't working, and he was THE hardest, and most respectful manager I've worked under.
Oh yeah - he had two different degrees too. But hey, he should've went to school for something else, amirite? That's what they always tell me, I can't wait to hear the next line of excuses!
Some of the hardest working people I met were working minimum wage jobs, and some of the laziest I met happened to be those at the top of the food chain. A matter of fact, after witnessing two of my bosses both conversing for thirty minutes - and I needed to be off at precisely the time I was scheduled to be off in order to get my girlfriend to her job (one vehicle at the moment) - I took it upon myself to leave, as I had been there for an additional thirty minutes, and needless to say, I won't be returning.
But hey - when I'm supposed to work until a certain time - and it's EXPLICITY stated beforehand that I cannot stay later than my scheduled times - and is posted at multiple places, that time is actually variable? I understand that to a degree - but try not to be The Grinch, and have a heart for other people.
Something that's been lost in the art of business in today's America.
originally posted by: elsafam357
Minimum wage was never intended to be a living wage. It was intended to prevent companies from taking advantage of the employee. Why should people be rewarded for doing nothing? If people are not willing to better themselves and to move on to bigger and better things then they should be happy with their crummy pay. I know some college graduates who are barely making $15 an hour, and you expect them to be okay with some fry jockey making more than them? What would be the incentive to work hard, or to advance themselves, and take on debt and responsibility. I know jobs are getting harder to find, but that's part of the freedom of this country...pack up and move for better work if you can, better yourself and keep fighting for a new job if you can't. Just don't tell me you deserve more for doing nothing.