Revelation -Predictive Programming-Her Name is Alice – Continuation

originally posted by: SoulSurfer
You're wrong, it is correct.

Sure it is. Got any sources?

It is when evidences are presented, especially accompanied by that which many would call "coincidences". Which are not coincidences but in fact, FACTUAL.

You presented evidence? Sorry, I must have missed it all. Nothing you posted claims that 'follow the light, which means "follow the knowledge" is what freemasonry does'.

Then by all Means, MR. Mason, continue to post, for I know how to handle you now.

Wonderful, hopefully it reflects in your future posts and dialogue.

That is mostly your own fault for failing to understand what the term "allegories" means. I cant help you there if you have no knowledge on what THAT means.

An allegory is a type of metaphor and your metaphor made zero sense.

lets continue this arguement then, you show no signs of backing down, and neither will I. I say you are wrong, and lying. The fact is, YOU DONT KNOW. But I do.

Oooooooo. Well the Professor, if I am lying it would be easy to get a ritual book and prove me wrong. Hell, they have them all over eBay for a few dollars.

and the quote from albert pike applies because it is the TRUTH with regards to YOUR current situation and sheer IGNORANCE.

The fact that you cite Pike and do not even understand him or his relevance is supremely comical. I may have to demote you to Adjunct Professor since a real professor would know their source material better.

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
So how is it you say you KNOW these things

But Augusts, an actual mason , not relying on anecdotal evidence, second hand information, or supposition, does NOT know?

He is a professor after all, I am just a lowly Mason.

the devil is in the details... its the details and various differences in the way we explain our experiences that make them sound unique and different. but without an ego formed around these experiences as anything special? one can see the truth of the trope one is actually living that is the frame work or sphere of reference one is existing and operating on.

youre attempting to see the framework or trope to it by connecting the dots of varied experiences that equal out to be the same thing, just appear different from he dogma of terms and people involved.

basically... boy meets girl, boy loses girl, boy gets girl back is a well known trope. if we start naming names giving them histories a setting in which all of this takes place? it will appear as 1000s of unrelated stories yet the premise of the trope underneath is the truth of the matter at the core. the difference is the personal connection of related experience to the characters involved that casts the curtain hiding its familiarity... this allows te same story to be told over and over with the trope remaining hidden beneath the surface.

we do this throughout our whole lives usually completely ignorant of the trope we are living or come across, because we get sucked into our dramas of experience which forms an ego making us lose any and all objectivity in whats actually occuring is a trope no different than the details 1000s of others ave lived and experienced leaving the trope itself unchanged. this is why these same dramas repeat over and over and why so many are blind in their own bubbles of experience.

a word of caution is basically what this amounts too, an aid to not lose oneself to the devil found in the details... which is what you seem to be doing. first identify the trope itself and then see how the various conflicting details fit that you want to apply to it... either it fits the trope or it doesnt but it will always be a trope of some sort so no need to force fit any of them... otherwise youre conflagerating oneself into being caught in a trope unaware that you have done so and once again getting lost in the made up details hiding the framework.

once you see it you cant unsee it... so my apologies if this post causes any existential crisis. the brightside is... once we become aware of the tropes and ave caught ourselves living one, we can then choose our own trope adventure and not be so tied to te senseless dramas we make when unconsciouslessly tied to a trope we werent aware of.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Sure it is. Got any sources?

"I regard not to what particular sect you attach
yourselves, venerate the popular religion of your respective countries, follow
the light of your own understanding.... Adore the Supreme Architect of the
Universe, acknowledge the immortality of the Soul, and look forward to a state
of retribution where the wise and good of all religions and countries shall meet
together and enjoy never fading bliss, in those realms of light and Love where
Faith shall be lost in sight, Hope in fruition, and Charity become expanded, as
Almighty Love. (The Autobiography of Henry Fowle of Boston (1766 - 1837), with
notes and appendices by David H. Kilmer (Bowie, Maryland, 1991), 186)

I give you this source, but in reality my real sources are directly from masons. Word for word.

You presented evidence? Sorry, I must have missed it all. Nothing you posted claims that 'follow the light, which means "follow the knowledge" is what freemasonry does'.

cant help you if you choose not to see them But i am pretty sure others in this thread already have. I posted Alot of them already. And I will not repost what I posted in previous threads with regards to this series.

Oooooooo. Well the Professor, if I am lying it would be easy to get a ritual book and prove me wrong. Hell, they have them all over eBay for a few dollars.

I never stated I was a professor, another lie from your part.(Putting words in my mouth, like you have before in other threads, and I suggest people to backtrack my threads and see AugustusMasonicus Posts.

My exact words Were:

It is no different than listening to a college professor who studied in his or her field of knowledge.

I never stated I was a "professor" I asked for mutual respect when I said the comment above. ( In other words). because I dont know how to explain in any other way. It was my way of telling people that I suck at explaining things, and to give me a break if I come out "authoritative". I was apologizing for that specific tone, but good job on not picking that up.

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Sorry, I just point out the obvious. Through your own words. You said it, not me. I simply noticed. Now, youre gonna tell me "oh that is what I've been called". Naw, I know that it is the "gentlemans way" to let people know what is up, even if it is indirectly.

You can't expect someone to be nice to you when you are wrong wrong wrong. But I guess you'll say the same about me huh? Actually, I tend to be rebelius towards those who follow me within my posts almost religiously simply to "mock me". I find that creepy, and stalkerish and annoying. It really does seem like you are trying to be the "all seeing eye" around me.

Keep following me and ill keep accusing you of being a stalker shill. because by simply following me, almost religiously, and me pointing this out. People will start seeing you for what you really are.

originally posted by: SoulSurfer
I give you this source, but in reality my real sources are directly from masons. Word for word.

Did you notice he said, 'follow the light of your own understanding'? Nothing in their about what you said, 'However, the term "follow the light, which means "follow the knowledge" is what freemasonry does'. There is no mandate from anyone in Masonry on the subject and as I stated earlier, this is one Mason's OPINION.

cant help you if you choose not to see them But i am pretty sure others in this thread already have. I posted Alot of them already. And I will not repost what I posted in previous threads with regards to this series.

I guess that is a 'no'.

I never stated I was a professor, another lie from your part.(Putting words in my mouth, like you have before in other threads, and I suggest people to backtrack my threads and see AugustusMasonicus Posts.

Believe me, we all know you are not a professor Professor, you do not have to reiterate that fact.

Mr.Mason who happens to be SHILL-axing

You like that one? Sometimes I change it to 'Illuminaughty'.

Sorry, I just point out the obvious. Through your own words. You said it, not me. I simply noticed. Now, youre gonna tell me "oh that is what I've been called". Naw, I know that it is the "gentlemans way" to let people know what is up, even if it is indirectly.

You read into things waaaaaaaaaay too much, but hey, whatever floats your conspiratorial boat.

You can't expect someone to be nice to you when you are wrong wrong wrong. But I guess you'll say the same about me huh? Actually, I tend to be rebelius towards those who follow me within my posts almost religiously simply to "mock me". I find that creepy, and stalkerish and annoying. It really does seem like you are trying to be the "all seeing eye" around me.

Frankly I do not care if you are creeped or weirded out. And I do not have my all seeing eye on you.

I have both of them on you.

Keep following me and ill keep accusing you of being a stalker shill. because by simply following me, almost religiously, and me pointing this out. People will start seeing you for what you really are.

Do not flatter yourself Professor, I just took a quick peek at your threads and most of them would bore me to tears. I did happen to spot that you were pedaling some nonsense in this one and decided to correct you. Like I said earlier, if you do not want people posting in your threads then go post them on your website where you can delete replies that make you get all hinky.

And if you feel that you need to call me a shill, then please, by all means, do not couch your words, proclaim it loudly.

a reply to: SoulSurfer

best to remember the defeat of queen mab... if you dont want to further derail your thread in defense of yourself instead of the topic. careful what you expect going into a thread and stating what you dont want to happen in it as it becomes troll food and the unwanted or welcome line of debate follows a topic wholly unrelated... each reply being more food and more off topic helping the derailment trolls stay off topic.

its clear youre piecing together things and asking for help in fitting several stories together to find the origional source or trope underneath all of them. so honestly that effort requires tossing many useless details not a clarification of them. that being the case proving details instead of fitting details with the same trope is kind of pointless. masonry is just a detail and pointless to argue who said what when the eye symbology is a common trope if it plays out to mean the same thing regardless of the borrowers details is really the main point after all.

a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness

You're.. the only one that has actually gotten it so far. Thank you, your post deserves over 100 stars. That is the problem, the difference of experience with each persons sphere.

One person may see a UFO, but another who has not cannot comprehend that level of experience. It is extremely hard to actually convey the entire experience into words, especially when it turns into the paranormal and spiritual. The best way to describe it, that I found, was through the use of allegories and metaphors.

the difference is the personal connection of related experience to the characters involved that casts the curtain hiding its familiarity... this allows the same story to be told over and over with the trope remaining hidden beneath the surface.

wow... that makes sense now. Yea, that pretty much confirms many things in my past research. I also remember reading a thread about the ark of noah, being told in all countries.

I also remember seeing a documentary about that too. I will look into this, since it is a lead.

a word of caution is basically what this amounts too, an aid to not lose oneself to the devil found in the details... which is what you seem to be doing. first identify the trope itself and then see how the various conflicting details fit that you want to apply to it... either it fits the trope or it doesnt but it will always be a trope of some sort so no need to force fit any of them... otherwise youre conflagerating oneself into being caught in a trope unaware that you have done so and once again getting lost in the made up details hiding the framework.

I would like to talk to you more in private, because my focus is actually to spear the Devil itself to free everyone else. I see no other way, because this "devil" is actually that very ego. (The movie revolver shows an example of what we are up against. Spoiler. Mr Gold in that movie is the ego. )

She hides behind our eyes. (just giving you a clue)

You seem to know what I am talking about, I am glad I made this thread to reach out to people. You also seem to know my true intentions. And I feel you may actually help me with something I need to do, spiritual wise.

once you see it you cant unsee it

I've caught glimpses...but I have yet to see it to its "fullest". I am aware of the risk involved, but I think ... the time for me to "awaken" to my fullest, is a must. And for that I need to face my fear.

You know what I am talking about, others may not see, nor know, but you know.. dont you?...

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus


It is obvious that we do not meet eye to eye. It is obvious we don't like one another. It is obvious that you have your experience and I have my own. You were taught one thing, I was taught another. We both state something is true. But see, there is one difference between us. I leave YOU alone with your topics. I dont follow you religiously, nor do I care.

So why waste your time ?

If I don't like you, especially due to past posts, this puts us basically at war with one another. Because I see one thing, you see another. And I already shown how you put words in my mouth when it wasn't true.

So Mr. "Mason", how is that credibility working out for you? (I have every right to defend myself, so don't get upset with me attacking you back.)

I have both of them on you.

I rest my case.

originally posted by: BigBrotherDarkness
a reply to: SoulSurfer

best to remember the defeat of queen mab... if you dont want to further derail your thread in defense of yourself instead of the topic. careful what you expect going into a thread and stating what you dont want to happen in it as it becomes troll food and the unwanted or welcome line of debate follows a topic wholly unrelated... each reply being more food and more off topic helping the derailment trolls stay off topic.

its clear youre piecing together things and asking for help in fitting several stories together to find the origional source or trope underneath all of them. so honestly that effort requires tossing many useless details not a clarification of them. that being the case proving details instead of fitting details with the same trope is kind of pointless. masonry is just a detail and pointless to argue who said what when the eye symbology is a common trope if it plays out to mean the same thing regardless of the borrowers details is really the main point after all.

You're right, I got derailed, and that was my own fault. but I know I am unto something. I just feel it in my gut. This thing, whatever she is, has possessed my friends to "deliver messages". I don't know who to turn to in this regards because as you've seen, not many agree with what I see. But I know this ****** like the back of my hand, and she has been haunting me since my teens.

She wont leave me alone, and I hardly trust anyone these days. She is the "lord" of this realm, or "universe". But she has no jurisdiction outside of this realm.

Can you tell me anything with regards to the "void"? or the "no-Thing".

I forgot to add one thing in the OP, the video from mark twain which also exposes the devil in predictive programming.

originally posted by: SoulSurfer
It is obvious that we do not meet eye to eye. It is obvious we don't like one another.

Where did I say I do not like anyone here? Do you need a hug?

It is obvious that you have your experience and I have my own. You were taught one thing, I was taught another. We both state something is true.

The major differentiator being that when I discuss Masonry on this site I do so from years of personal experience, when you do so you do it from hearsay. That is a world of difference.

But see, there is one difference between us. I leave YOU alone with your topics. I dont follow you religiously, nor do I care.

Again, you flatter yourself Professor. I have not posted in all of your topics as they are rather dull, I could however post in them if you ask me nicely. It may lend them a little spice which they are certainly lacking at this point.

In regards posting in mine, feel free, that is why I put them in a PUBLIC forum. Maybe you have some neat pictures of your daily gruel you would like to add to my Food Porn thread, or perhaps you want to experience some Old World culture vicariously in Italy-With Pictures or maybe you think you can go toe to toe and try to disprove Why Masons do not worship Lucifer (or Satan).

So why waste your time ?

Waste my time doing what? Posting? Obviously I like it or I would not have close to 18,000 of them. That one should be obvious Professor.

If I don't like you, especially due to past posts, this puts us basically at war with one another. Because I see one thing, you see another.

Ooooo. We are at 'war'? Are we gonna fight on the playground after school?

And I already shown how you put words in my mouth when it wasn't true.

Actually, what you wrote is still sitting there erroneously above without correction. You said, 'However, the term "follow the light, which means "follow the knowledge" is what freemasonry does'. Which is still not accurate despite your personal OPINION.

So Mr. "Mason", how is that credibility working out for you? (I have every right to defend myself, so don't get upset with me attacking you back.)

It is fine, thank you for asking, I would not have lasted 8 years on this site if I was lying.

I rest my case.

Satire not your strong suit, eh, Professor?

a reply to: SoulSurfer

yes I see it... and I understand wanting to defend against seeing the tropes one is living as they can become comfortable. we usually display discomfort against anything that would harm our drama bubbles to reveal the underlying trope(s) we are living with cognitive dissonance. but after awhile either by fate or compulsion the picture gets clearer and clearer. where after your trope is undone you can start really seeing the trope another is living... the problems and suffering arising beyond the details is the same as the trope unchanging, as thats what a particular trope manifests upon following it. each one has a lesson... but the lesson once learned beyond rote is useless unless we can point a finger at a trope youve lived through when you see it in someone else as a way to help them stop suffering from the details marring the clarity of the situation.

life simply transforms into that of a watcher because we know what trying to bury oneself into or living a trope does... and well how many times do you need to grab a hot pan bare handed, before you stop intentionally causing yourself and others pain, by grabbing that pan again and again choosing the willful delusion of detail over the truth. sure you can choose tropes for various reasons and lessons someone may need, but involving oneself in tropes intensionally creates karma based on tat intension. some know what I am talking about and use the blindness people have of the framework of tropes to manipulate and control others. this is the basic light and darkside found in everything... temptation is the force within as once you see this framework in all its glory? you can control it by choosing tropes that intersect or interfere and take over other tropes competing in the picture for a different out come.

im one of those on the lightside even though ive been tempted to use the insight for some good old greed for material excess as it just becomes too easy to see all the reoccuring patterns going on. i typically dont go hey youre living a trope to people... but help those suffering in a trope from all my experience of the trope itself. the reasoning is karma has put them into whatever trope to learn something... so helping them see the punchline makes the delivery they are living not seem so bad. people dont really seem to want to wake up so forcing it upon one not seeking is kinda rude, of course not as rude as those manipulating the same knowledge for personal gain and advantage... as thats sociopathic in nature and will come back in ways hard to see since karma follows all intent even if it hasnt become action the seed still gets planted when you keep cultivating the ground for it.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

all these posts and unfortunately no clarification as to the symbology of the all seeing eye as it relates to masonry and its principles. I can understand the need to defend something you are a part of... this is usually best accomplished with understanding instead of making sure everyone not a mason is dotting Is and crossing Ts when discussing someting found in masonry.

instead of the bicker why not stop the defense and explain the all seeing eye symbology as you understand it in masonry so others can also understand it? doing that instead will certainly ease a lot of the stress involved with people being wrong or misinformed based on what you know of it. who knows someone of a higer degree might clarify even further the knowledge you have of the subject making you a better mason. as arguing with people about masonry doesnt really put it in any better light than it was without comment when it arises.

I understand some of it is secret so theres likely a limit on what you can and cant say or discuss. in such cases it may be better ignore instead of defend since you wont really be able to say why in some cases. sorry for equating you to a troll but nothing about the symbology has been mentioned, just an argument of facts unrelated to the symbology that might tie all of these disciplines of thought together revealing the framework they all arise and borrow from.

originally posted by: BigBrotherDarkness
all these posts and unfortunately no clarification as to the symbology of the all seeing eye as it relates to masonry and its principles.

See above. I posted what it means from the Master Mason Lecture. This is verbatim from the version we use in New Jersey:

...yet that All Seeing Eye, whom the Sun, Moon and Stars obey, and under whose watchful care even Comets perform their stupendous revolutions, penetrates the inmost recesses of the human Heart and will judge us according to our merits.

I understand some of it is secret...

As I stated above, none of it is secret with the exception of 5 handshakes and 5 passwords.

a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness

life simply transforms into that of a watcher because we know what trying to bury oneself into or living a trope does... and well how many times do you need to grab a hot pan bare handed, before you stop intentionally causing yourself and others pain,

You also know how the law works...how did you come to find all this information? Did someone teach you?

I guess, in this case, the law was showing me a lesson when I should have ignored.

but involving oneself in tropes intensionally creates karma based on tat intension

I keep forgetting that, it seems the riddle has to do ultimately with reaction. How we react. I know what you'll probably say, that the answer is simply to observe without judgement.

(But I never said I was perfect, nor do I wish to be). I still make mistakes.

But with regards to non reaction, I am not that strong.

im one of those on the lightside even though ive been tempted to use the insight for some good old greed for material excess as it just becomes too easy to see all the reoccuring patterns going on. i typically dont go hey youre living a trope to people... but help those suffering in a trope from all my experience of the trope itself.

is it really light? Or is it natural law? I ask because there seems to be a difference between the two, unless you are telling me that even the light is filled with lessons within itself, and can serve a purpose for the grand scheme of things.

The truth is, I dont know where to put my faith into. All i know is that through experience, whatever she is has hurt me beyond any human could. And I want to know why and what her deal is. I still feel the burn in my belly and I KNOW its a spiritual attack. Or perhaps a karma?

I think we really need to speak in private and have a very deep conversation. I have.. a long story to tell, especially things I cant speak out in public. (if thats okay.)

since karma follows all intent even if it hasnt become action the seed still gets planted when you keep cultivating the ground for it.

Yea... I think we have a looong conversation ahead, if you accept a chat invitation.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

thank you for that clarification, my apologies for not seeing it in the above as it was a bit chaotic. it appears the all seeing eye is equated to consciousness, and that no matter how you try to cover it up by word or deed, your heart knows the truth and will either sink you or allow you to swim when judgment of the soul arises. not a mason but very familiar with the experience or trope as it runs in various forms with different verbage attached that all basically point to the same experience though the verbage is what makes them appear different... and I believe this is what the op is struggling against to determine... and upon determining that will be able to escape this torment personified as a she... which is likely the lower self that I believe some masonic rituals are designed to symbologically over come during the ritual designed for it.

in my opinion the over coming is also symbolic as no actual attainment is involved but the ritual designed to have some idea beyond rote of what having the experience means by offering a way to have a taste of it through the ritualisation. it takes a lot more than that for full wisdom to grow to actually understand fully the experience... but better than none or just a conceptual grasp in understanding isnt it?

a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness

I sent you a PM. We can speak more through there.
(I'd really appreciate that).

originally posted by: BigBrotherDarkness
thank you for that clarification, my apologies for not seeing it in the above as it was a bit chaotic. it appears the all seeing eye is equated to consciousness, and that no matter how you try to cover it up by word or deed, your heart knows the truth and will either sink you or allow you to swim when judgment of the soul arises.

It is supposed to represent the eye of God and that you cannot hide from God or yourself.

in my opinion the over coming is also symbolic as no actual attainment is involved but the ritual designed to have some idea beyond rote of what having the experience means by offering a way to have a taste of it through the ritualisation. it takes a lot more than that for full wisdom to grow to actually understand fully the experience... but better than none or just a conceptual grasp in understanding isnt it?

I agree that Masonic ritual should be more than rote as it has meaning if one actually takes the time to ponder it but it does have more impact when performed in the lodge as it needs to be taken as whole instead of piecemeal. Just my opinion of course but this is the way I have had candidates convey their sentiments after participating and then viewing the degrees.

a reply to: SoulSurfer

Far too many rules and regs about who can and can't post in your thread......and truth be told you come across as a little bit "needy"

I found the content to be very bland and self centric to be honest.....but if you believe it all then who am I to argue with you.


Lots of words very little content.

a reply to: SoulSurfer

well thats why I suggest looking at the framework instead of the details. the details being personal automatically causes the loss of objectivity allowing a bias from those attachments to details within a specific drama.

i understand also that you are trying to root out who the she is that seems to be tormenting you to the point of manifesting into other people...

can you see the trap in this obsession? thats why i suggested caution... as this road of attacment to details has taken many a person down a road of madness.

if you look at the framework youll find 1000s of goddesses, demons and everything else to fit the bill... in doing so youll see the personality traits listed in other people. it doesnt mean they are possessed by this figure it just means those traits are universal in ones ability to have them... this is a trope itself as a selffulfilling prophesy... the she doesnt exist except wen you look for her or she a trait associated with her in someone else.

this is nothing more than the mind sorting patterns and trying to make sense of data with no base to see it clearly from. thats why looking into the trope itself will bring clarity instead of the fog of detail covering the mirror. its basically a puzzle and solving the trope is akin to the edge and corner pieces, as you can see the framework or boundary that encompasses the entire puzzle so one isnt left struggling against blue with a little yellow with dozens of pieces fitting that description.

my pms you to yous etc havent worked since the site change. but other than suggesting to look for the framework or trope your problem is running on and the experience and caution dealing with it, ive nothing really to offer as the details only hinder the truth of the situation and being mired in those details has clouded your objectivity to the subject because youve made it personal. there is an entire website dedicated to tropes... as people use them to write what? human dramas. so find the trope read the framework and examples so you can gain some objectivity to see your puzzle or quandry clearly, onc tat happens the trope of whomever she is, will lose all power.

hell just the law of impermanance and dependent arising shows... that the fuel for this force or entity being around is yourself. sure she exists to others in many forms and symbologies, but her power and significance really only exist in the details you allow her to have. stop obsessing over her and she will go away, its a lot like hey seen any blue flowers lately? nope? now you will. seen any strange ladies affecting your life? nope then youve not looked, all the time? looking too often.

cheers

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

completely ties in and makes sense of masonry requiring a belief in some power higher than oneself... not necessarily god persay but to something we all are accountable too and the heart is either aligned to it or not as the final judgment. if the heart surrenders it finds peace and if it rejects it causes more suffering and pain on oneself in defense of the self.

reminds me a bit of the ephiphany people in AA have of surrendering that yes they are an alcoholic and have no control over their drinking as the first step to over coming it.