BREAKING: Grand jury declines to indict Cleveland policemen in fatal shooting of 12-year-old Tamir R

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

When they face you.

Sometimes that wait is too long.
“It was quick,” a senior police official said.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
But if its a child, first assumption is that its a toy, and I don't shoot. It would be among the most remarkable of circumstances that would have me thinking a 12 year old is going to kill me, and reaching for my sidearm. Remarkable enough that I can't really contextualize what that would even look like.

You would have won the lottery in this case but not these;
Juvenile cop killers


But yes, I understand what you are saying. I don't know any cops that would enjoy killing a kid or an adult for that matter. Its the last thing that you would want to do during your day.

a reply to: Phibes

Are you just being sarcastic or are you actually serious?

originally posted by: ReadLeader
a reply to: Phibes

Here is a 'snippet' of Ohio's UOF policy

Use of Deadly Force:
The preservation of human life is of the highest value in the State of Ohio. Therefore, employees must have an objectively reasonable belief deadly force is necessary to protect life before the use of deadly force. Deadly force may be used only under the following circumstances: To defend themselves from serious physical injury or death; or to defend another person from serious physical injury or death; or in accordance with U.S. and Ohio Supreme Court decisions, specifically, Tennessee v. Garner and Graham v. Connor.

Pretty much says it all.

I get that. My point is they FORCED deadly force breaking protocol. They put Themselves into DANGER!

originally posted by: LSU0408
a reply to: Phibes

Are you just being sarcastic or are you actually serious?

Read my later post's and maybe you might understand my point?

a reply to: angeldoll

No one knew it was a toy gun;

""Jeff Follmer, president of the Cleveland Police Patrolmen’s Association, said the officers were not told the caller thought the gun might be fake.

The officer called to the playground outside a city recreation center saw the pistol sitting on a table or bench, and watched the boy grab it and put it in his waistband, Follmer said.""

My 7 yr old niece knows better than to play with an air soft toy gun in public (much less pointing it at other human beings) - especially without the orange tip on the replica...

Alot went wrong with this but the officers cannot be held solely responsible for this tragedy... I ask you this, does your son/daughter/niece/nephew in the 12yr old age category know better? Whos parents would let a 12 yr old ( larger boy as well) play in a park w/a hoody and a replica toy gun anyway? (in this day and age)

This is the stuff BLM lives for... They'll be there in their bells, whistles, flat brim caps and sagging britches...

a reply to: Blazemore2000

It was justified. Big difference.

originally posted by: LSU0408
This is the stuff BLM lives for... They'll be there in their bells, whistles, flat brim caps and sagging britches...

BTW, just so you know I think BLM is BS. I don't support them.

originally posted by: kimar
a reply to: matafuchs

Yes, this could have been avoided if the cop wasn't a coward. He shot a 12 year old boy with a TOY gun within 2 seconds.

Totally easy to tell this was a 12 year old kid with a fake gun. Just see for yourself.

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a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

How were they to know his age? He was adult sized, weighed nearly 200 pounds and had his face obscured by a hood.

Besides there have been plenty of examples of gang members his age using real guns to commit real crimes including murder.

originally posted by: BIGPoJo
For everyone in this thread second guessing the actions of the police officer you need to ask yourself this...

When should you shoot someone that has a gun? Do you wait until you can see directly down the barrel? Do you wait until they fire at you? Do you call your supervisor for permission to engage? Do you wait until that gunman shoots and kills a civilian. When is it OK to proceed with deadly force?

I know the answer, do you?

This is why we don't win wars anymore, because we'll be court martialed if we fire before being fired upon.

originally posted by: Deny Arrogance
BLM started with Trayvon Martin who was proven to be the instigator not the victim.

Then there was Mike Brown where it was also proven that the BLM version was a lie and Brown was the instigator not the victim.

Now this.

If this alleged war on black men by "the system" is really such a crisis, why can't BLM find any better examples to champion?

What do you think of the shooting of John Crawford III?

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

I'm not familiar on the point that it was known the boy's age. However, have you ever been in the situation where the only option is to kill or be killed? None of us were there, and obviously there was enough evidence to prove that there was a potential threat, otherwise that cop would be in jail for life.

a reply to: ReadLeader

Ughmmmmm. please check out the evidence and look at the stills; the pictures are evident, the boy pulled out a weapon and pointed it at the officers....

Show me proof what you state is true.

Also, in the video (not stills) the time elapsed from the cruiser pulling up and the boy being shot does not jive with the officers report.

******

Consider the following an exercise in logic:

the boy pulled out a weapon and pointed it at the officers....

So, let me get this straight:

It is now a well known fact that the 12 year old boy was holding a fake gun.

The boy himself must of been aware that it was indeed a fake gun.

Q: So, you honestly believe he pulled out the FAKE weapon and pointed it at the officers in order to shoot the officer knowing fully well he was in possession of a fake gun....?

Let it marinate...

originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: BIGPoJo
For everyone in this thread second guessing the actions of the police officer you need to ask yourself this...

When should you shoot someone that has a gun? Do you wait until you can see directly down the barrel? Do you wait until they fire at you? Do you call your supervisor for permission to engage? Do you wait until that gunman shoots and kills a civilian. When is it OK to proceed with deadly force?

I know the answer, do you?

This is why we don't win wars anymore, because we'll be court martialed if we fire before being fired upon.

Huh? I guess you forgot about drone strikes too?

a reply to: angeldoll

Who do you suggest? The people that called the cops? The dispatcher that dispatched the cops? The parents of the boy that bought him the toy gun and let him take the orange off without warning him of the dangers? Who?

a reply to: Deny Arrogance

Best point of the day, he was 'biggie' sized!!!!!

2nd

a reply to: Phibes

I wasn't judging you. I just saw all the "OIC, so you think" and the "O, so then you must think" posts... That's why I asked. Good that you don't support the racist BLM bastehds...

originally posted by: Involutionist
a reply to: ReadLeader

Ughmmmmm. please check out the evidence and look at the stills; the pictures are evident, the boy pulled out a weapon and pointed it at the officers....

Show me proof what you state is true.

Also, in the video (not stills) the time elapsed from the cruiser pulling up and the boy being shot does not jive with the officers report.

******

Consider the following an exercise in logic:

the boy pulled out a weapon and pointed it at the officers....

So, let me get this straight:

It is now a well known fact that the 12 year old boy was holding a fake gun.

The boy himself must of been aware that it was indeed a fake gun.

Q: So, you honestly believe he pulled out the FAKE weapon and pointed it at the officers in order to shoot the officer knowing fully well he was in possession of a fake gun....?

Let it marinate...

This!


And why not treat it as a felony arrest and keep safe distance and not just roll up like a dumb cop and put yourself in harms way and use that to justify a homicidal execution style killing?