Why Liberals Admire and Romanticize Islam

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Kali74

Islam has built up a large military with weapons of mass destruction and a military large enough to invade? Let me know when that happens and your analogy is applicable, I'll give you my answer then. As for Extremist Islam a la Daesh/Taliban/al Qaeda (if this what you meant)? Pretty sure I publicly condemn those. That affects everyone in the world. I just don't let it brainwash me into thinking that evil assholes like that represent Islam. Is that what you have a problem with? If it helps make you feel better, I also don't let Extremist Christians become all Christians. Extremists aren't representative of anything but insane levels of hatred.

How do you explain the videos of jihadists using passages in the Quran to justify their atrocities? Just recently, the leader of ISIS said those who do not support ISIS are not true Muslims. How are you so sure they do not represent Islam?

You want to move goal posts. I accept. I think I'd rather listen to the larger number of Muslims including Imams and Clerics from Islamic countries and countries with large populations of Muslims as well as in the West who denounce Daesh and extremism as not Islam, not true to the Quran.

You want me to question whether extremists are the ones telling the truth while everyone else lies? I think I'll pass. I don't need to question whether Christian Extremists are the ones telling the truth either. Both are kind of common sense, "duh" questions.

a reply to: mOjOm

It is also why I don't and most wouldn't settle for a minute if they tried.
There is far too much of this going on ..www.msfanpage.link...
for ANY support, until the mess is clean.

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: mOjOm

It is also why I don't and most wouldn't settle for a minute if they tried.
There is far too much of this going on ..www.msfanpage.link...
for ANY support, until the mess is clean.

Ok, but to be clear, nobody is supporting Radical Islam. Except perhaps our own Gov. which is a different topic. Liberals are trying to protect Innocent Muslims from Xenophobic People who refuse to separate Moderate Muslims from Radical ones. That's it. It's just that simple.

Sorry, I can't respect a religion where women are subservient to men and not even allowed to sit next to their husband during mosque. Not going to. Women have fought hard for equality, and still are. I'm not going to excuse it among any demographic, or be a hypocrite in saying it's alright just because Islam is taking a beating right now. It's not alright and should not be condoned by anyone. It totally sucks.

originally posted by: ketsuko
Not really. One will kill you for it, and the other simply says, it's a sin.

Maybe you find the idea of stated disapproval of an act to be equivalent to outright execution, but I think the two are a bit different.

Case in Point.

These Pastors don't represent the whole of Christianity thankfully, but they do represent some. I'm sure Islam is the same. It's all who you ask and what you've been taught.

Pastor Steven Anderson v. Joel Osteen

I haven't seen any liberal praising Isis or condoning terrorism

What I have seen plenty of is Conservatives constantly calling for a civil war against the evil government for allowing in Muslim refugees from war torn countries.

So who exactly is the oppressor here? Liberals or Right wing Christian conservatives that are constantly playing the victim card because supposedly their religion is under attack?

They think they are under attack because we're allowing in refugees, because gays are able to marry and because those evil leftist are standing up for the rights of immigrants and Muslims.

originally posted by: angeldoll
Sorry, I can't respect a religion where women are subservient to men and not even allowed to sit next to their husband during mosque. Not going to. Women have fought hard for equality, and still are. I'm not going to excuse it among any demographic, or be a hypocrite in saying it's alright just because Islam is taking a beating right now. It's not alright and should not be condoned by anyone. It totally sucks.

You don't have to respect the Religion. But you should respect the right for people to choose their own personal beliefs even if you oppose what they choose. It sucks at times having to respect that right but you have to or they don't have to respect that same right for you either.

originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: angeldoll
Sorry, I can't respect a religion where women are subservient to men and not even allowed to sit next to their husband during mosque. Not going to. Women have fought hard for equality, and still are. I'm not going to excuse it among any demographic, or be a hypocrite in saying it's alright just because Islam is taking a beating right now. It's not alright and should not be condoned by anyone. It totally sucks.

You don't have to respect the Religion. But you should respect the right for people to choose their own personal beliefs even if you oppose what they choose. It sucks at times having to respect that right but you have to or they don't have to respect that same right for you either.

Wow! If only the liberals respected that when it came to their views on government and what it can and can't force people of faith to do.

a reply to: mOjOm

That's a bit preachy but okay if you are the moral compass. I respect their right to safety..and the things all humans need to survive; shelter, clothing, food and water, legal behaviors. The rest of it I certainly don't have to respect anymore than I have to respect honor killings or child molestation, but you go ahead.

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: angeldoll
Sorry, I can't respect a religion where women are subservient to men and not even allowed to sit next to their husband during mosque. Not going to. Women have fought hard for equality, and still are. I'm not going to excuse it among any demographic, or be a hypocrite in saying it's alright just because Islam is taking a beating right now. It's not alright and should not be condoned by anyone. It totally sucks.

You don't have to respect the Religion. But you should respect the right for people to choose their own personal beliefs even if you oppose what they choose. It sucks at times having to respect that right but you have to or they don't have to respect that same right for you either.

Wow! If only the liberals respected that when it came to their views on government and what it can and can't force people of faith to do.

That's a red herring and it means that you cannot logically counter their assertion.

originally posted by: ketsuko

Wow! If only the liberals respected that when it came to their views on government and what it can and can't force people of faith to do.

If only conservatives respected that when it came to their views on government and what it can and can't force people of NO Faith to do.

But I guess not everyone is as level headed and balanced in their thinking as you and I, eh Ketsuko??? Both Conservatives and Liberals sometimes loose site of what Equality under the law means I suppose. Luckily there are people like you and me to remind them when they loose track.

originally posted by: angeldoll
Sorry, I can't respect a religion where women are subservient to men and not even allowed to sit next to their husband during mosque. Not going to. Women have fought hard for equality, and still are. I'm not going to excuse it among any demographic, or be a hypocrite in saying it's alright just because Islam is taking a beating right now. It's not alright and should not be condoned by anyone. It totally sucks.

Um, then you need to buck up & do your religion homework better if you're going to feign anger. So do the Amish, Jews, Hindus (straight out of the horse's mouth, I used to work for a Hindu couple from India)

Did you note the Christian sect up there? Ponder that.

a reply to: Metallicus

Wow!
I didn't know I hates Christianity!! I didn't know I likes radical Islam!

Oh. Wait. I don't have either of those feelings.

Your article/source is a giant straw man.
I don't like Sharia Law. I also don't like it when folks in general try to create Theocracy.

Many "liberals" admire the life and work of Jesus and base their "liberal social justice" actions on his example. I know a lot of this type of liberal. But hey, it feels so much better to label liberals as romantically trying to bring radical Islam into your home because liberal.

Whatever. Thanks so much. Enjoy the pointless back-patting over perceived point scoring in the game of divisiveness.

originally posted by: angeldoll
a reply to: mOjOm

That's a bit preachy but okay if you are the moral compass. I respect their right to safety..and the things all humans need to survive; shelter, clothing, food and water, legal behaviors. The rest of it I certainly don't have to respect anymore than I have to respect honor killings or child molestation, but you go ahead.

Believe me, I don't want to come off as being preachy. But you have to respect the right for everyone to choose their own beliefs if you want the freedom to choose your beliefs. At the same time, everyone must respect the rule of law regardless of what they believe. That is what keeps people from acting on their beliefs which endanger others. But that is about the best we can do.

I know what you're saying and I don't like those beliefs either, but if that is what they choose to believe so be it. I'll believe the opposite like you do. Then we have to allow the law to protect our beliefs and their beliefs as well as protect them from us and us from them.

I didn't know Progs were "Tea Party" to liberals.

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: angeldoll
Sorry, I can't respect a religion where women are subservient to men and not even allowed to sit next to their husband during mosque. Not going to. Women have fought hard for equality, and still are. I'm not going to excuse it among any demographic, or be a hypocrite in saying it's alright just because Islam is taking a beating right now. It's not alright and should not be condoned by anyone. It totally sucks.

Um, then you need to buck up & do your religion homework better if you're going to feign anger. So do the Amish, Jews, Hindus (straight out of the horse's mouth, I used to work for a Hindu couple from India)

Did you note the Christian sect up there? Ponder that.

Well shut my mouth! I guess that excuses everything! @@

"Feign anger"?? How absurd. Unless, you are talking about yourself and you do seem angry.

originally posted by: angeldoll

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: angeldoll
Sorry, I can't respect a religion where women are subservient to men and not even allowed to sit next to their husband during mosque. Not going to. Women have fought hard for equality, and still are. I'm not going to excuse it among any demographic, or be a hypocrite in saying it's alright just because Islam is taking a beating right now. It's not alright and should not be condoned by anyone. It totally sucks.

Um, then you need to buck up & do your religion homework better if you're going to feign anger. So do the Amish, Jews, Hindus (straight out of the horse's mouth, I used to work for a Hindu couple from India)

Did you note the Christian sect up there? Ponder that.

Well shut my mouth! I guess that excuses everything! @@

Unless you intend on protesting gender segregation among the other religions & sects, Amish included, that may be the wiser option.

a reply to: mOjOm

But you have to respect the right for everyone to choose their own beliefs if you want the freedom to choose your beliefs

As I said earlier and meant -- by the way, I won't accept maltreatment of women and children. You do as you like.

a reply to: Nyiah

The inane comparisons are getting a little tiresome.

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: angeldoll
Sorry, I can't respect a religion where women are subservient to men and not even allowed to sit next to their husband during mosque. Not going to. Women have fought hard for equality, and still are. I'm not going to excuse it among any demographic, or be a hypocrite in saying it's alright just because Islam is taking a beating right now. It's not alright and should not be condoned by anyone. It totally sucks.

You don't have to respect the Religion. But you should respect the right for people to choose their own personal beliefs even if you oppose what they choose. It sucks at times having to respect that right but you have to or they don't have to respect that same right for you either.

Wow! If only the liberals respected that when it came to their views on government and what it can and can't force people of faith to do.

That's a red herring and it means that you cannot logically counter their assertion.

No, it only means I can read and comprehend the meaning of

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

See, everyone is very familiar with the first part, but it's the second part that no one likes to remember.