Why Liberals Admire and Romanticize Islam

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
I'm saying respecting human law is in the Bible, as told by Jesus. It's not in the Quran. I'm not speaking of individual christians or muslims. As is proven, Islam under the rule of law is quite moderate. When left to its own devices and own laws, it is not.

The bible is taught in various ways just like the Quran(sp?). When left to it's own devices Christianity has an awful track record also. Luckily as you say, under the rule of law Islam is moderate. Same for Christianity. Here in the US, both are expected to respect the rule of law as well. Therefor shouldn't both be treated the same in that respect??

originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: ketsuko

And here you are drawing that moral equivalence proving argument three from the OP.

How is that??? I'm asking a question. I'm not stating a position. You know what a question is don't you??? Do you know what the difference between someone asking a question stating a position???

You are equating one to the other. It is drawing an equivalence just as the OP said. You see both as the same.

a reply to: mOjOm

It's not exclusive to Christianity...

All religions have people who try to "outdo" one another. There are always zealots in every religion who try to pass themselves off as more extreme, more fundamental and more devout.

It's a dangerous path for anyone of any faith to go down...

a reply to: TechniXcality

Ok, now you're making some sense. If we are to accept those numbers, which is fine to do in this case, then I can understand your concern. Nobody wants Radicals running around doing radical stuff.

But do you have a plan to overhaul the Islamic Religion??? Because I don't think it's too easy of a task, especially as an outsider. How open to overhauling Christianity by outside influence are Christians??? I expect the same would go for Muslims don't you??

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Islam has built up a large military with weapons of mass destruction and a military large enough to invade? Let me know when that happens and your analogy is applicable, I'll give you my answer then. As for Extremist Islam a la Daesh/Taliban/al Qaeda (if this what you meant)? Pretty sure I publicly condemn those. That affects everyone in the world. I just don't let it brainwash me into thinking that evil assholes like that represent Islam. Is that what you have a problem with? If it helps make you feel better, I also don't let Extremist Christians become all Christians. Extremists aren't representative of anything but insane levels of hatred.

a reply to: mOjOm

The bible is taught in various ways just like the Quran(sp?). When left to it's own devices Christianity has an awful track record also. Luckily as you say, under the rule of law Islam is moderate. Same for Christianity. Here in the US, both are expected to respect the rule of law as well. Therefor shouldn't both be treated the same in that respect??

I wonder if you could make a point regarding the OP without referring to Christianity. Let's talk about the subject at hand.

originally posted by: ketsuko
You are equating one to the other. It is drawing an equivalence just as the OP said. You see both as the same.

I'm treating the same because in this case the question was asked how they view homosexuality and the answer was "They BOTH see it as a sin." Therefor making the comparison is in fact valid. I'm not saying the entire religion in both cases are equal but in this case what was being compared is.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: ketsuko

That's what people on the outside who have perspective call injecting Christian theology into secular government. Deny it all you want, but when you drag Christian ethos into government, it becomes quite literally "Christian Law".

Sharia law is the same thing, just a different Abrahamic religion.

No, it's what you call it.

I call it finding a reason to object to something you don't like based on the idea that the legislator who proposed it has an admitted faith.

I also note that NONE of you object when someone like Obama makes an argument for one of his policy positions based on faith, something he does regularly. So from my perspective, your fear of faith being injected into government is simply that - a means to drive fear in people to get them to oppose policy positions you don't like.

After all, Jesus was a socialist, I am my brother's keeper, etc., all used to justify more welfare, socialized medicine and similar liberal sacred cows (by politicians themselves I might add)? I never hear any objection from anyone on this thread who is currently squawking.

But, let someone of known faith propose restricting abortion to 20 or 21 weeks (something most European nations do), and there is no possible reason for it except a theological takeover, no matter what rationale had been given for putting the bill forward.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Metallicus

You would think that a liberal-mindset would oppose a religion that condemns freedom of religion and freedom of speech, that mistreats minorities, homosexuals and women, but the rhetoric coming out of the left is nothing short of Islamic advocacy.

It is called votes... who cares if the group goes against their morals.

originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: ketsuko
You are equating one to the other. It is drawing an equivalence just as the OP said. You see both as the same.

I'm treating the same because in this case the question was asked how they view homosexuality and the answer was "They BOTH see it as a sin." Therefor making the comparison is in fact valid. I'm not saying the entire religion in both cases are equal but in this case what was being compared is.

Not really. One will kill you for it, and the other simply says, it's a sin.

Maybe you find the idea of stated disapproval of an act to be equivalent to outright execution, but I think the two are a bit different.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
I wonder if you could make a point regarding the OP without referring to Christianity. Let's talk about the subject at hand.

Ok. If it makes you more comfortable I guess we could use another religion. I'm not as familiar with other Religions or their complete history though so it may take some research on my behalf before responding. Is there some other Religion you'd like to use???

I only use Christianity because that is what is most familiar.

a reply to: Kali74

Islam has built up a large military with weapons of mass destruction and a military large enough to invade? Let me know when that happens and your analogy is applicable, I'll give you my answer then. As for Extremist Islam a la Daesh/Taliban/al Qaeda (if this what you meant)? Pretty sure I publicly condemn those. That affects everyone in the world. I just don't let it brainwash me into thinking that evil assholes like that represent Islam. Is that what you have a problem with? If it helps make you feel better, I also don't let Extremist Christians become all Christians. Extremists aren't representative of anything but insane levels of hatred.

How do you explain the videos of jihadists using passages in the Quran to justify their atrocities? Just recently, the leader of ISIS said those who do not support ISIS are not true Muslims. How are you so sure they do not represent Islam?

a reply to: mOjOm

Ok. If it makes you more comfortable I guess we could use another religion. I'm not as familiar with other Religions or their complete history though so it may take some research on my behalf before responding. Is there some other Religion you'd like to use???

Islam.

originally posted by: TheBulk
Bill Maher, The "conservative"?

I don't really understand your post. Bill Maher is more conservative than liberal, his broad generalization in that video is another proof of that. He jumps to conclusion especially when he says that, since 18% of Indonesians believe in honor killing that they would kill a raped women. It's totally ridiculous.

a reply to: mOjOm

How many support the Constitution and how many support (ACTIVELY) Shaharia law?
MOST want it but don't do it.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
Not really.

Liberals basically like pointing out the hypocrisy of blindly following Christianity to the ends of the Earth as some kind of "superior" faith in the face of conservatives. It gets them all worked up and tweaked around.

Seems to be doing a good job I might add.

But 60% of Democrats are Christians too..hmm I think the Democrats can not give up on their #1 point of abortion since everything else kind of works its way back to Obama...lol

originally posted by: ketsuko
Not really. One will kill you for it, and the other simply says, it's a sin.

Maybe you find the idea of stated disapproval of an act to be equivalent to outright execution, but I think the two are a bit different.

Really??? Because I know I've heard Muslims here say that killing Homosexuals is wrong even though Homosexuality is considered a sin. I'm sure I can also find Christians who do in fact call for homosexuals to be killed as well.

I'm not saying the majority of Christians think that, but I don't think the majority of Muslims do either. Neither of which matters because we aren't comparing numbers.

The fact is, both Christians and Muslims to various degrees hold both those positions depending upon who you're talking about. Both Islam and Christianity has been taught with both those perspectives as well depending upon who you're talking about. So the difference is all in who you're talking about. You take the Christian side because your Christian. I'm not taking either side because I don't have one since I'm neither Christian or Muslim. To me neither side is any better or worse than the other. They are both a mixture of both good and bad. All I care about is minimizing the bad ones.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

Islam.

But we already are talking about Islam.

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
Even when asked the question, they still resort to criticizing Christianity. Maybe it's pathological.

And it didn't take long for some to resort to implying that all Muslims rape women and throw gays off of buildings.

A billion + do not but that pesky 100 million that do kind of gets under my skin.

originally posted by: cavtrooper7

How many support the Constitution and how many support (ACTIVELY) Shaharia law?
MOST want it but don't do it.

How many Muslims??? I don't know, you should go ask some Muslims.

I would hope not too many. But even if they do, too damn bad because here in the US, for now anyway, we don't base our laws on Religion. Any Religion and this is exactly why we don't.