Why Liberals Admire and Romanticize Islam

a reply to: Metallicus

I have never heard anyone say they would support islamic extremists. If you have I encourage you to contact the authorities immediatley....

.... Or we can cut the BS and you can just ask what you really want to know - why do people still not hate Islam when hundreds of billions of dollars are spent smearing them ALL on every major western network every day for the last 15 years?...

.... I don't know, maybe cause your kung-fu is sooo so-so and most people are smarter than you take them for?

a reply to: mOjOm

I wasn't aware that Christians were making laws now???

Because Christians respect the rule of law of the land.

I was going to pass on giving my two cents on this topic because the OP's source article is completely ignorant and so have been many of the responses to it in this thread, but I have yet to see anyone really address why Leftists defend Islam. Let's look at this part from the OP's source:

Why does the left tolerate radical Islam while waging such a sustained assault on Christianity

Radical Islam is not being defended by anyone I have seen. Radical extremists need to be dealt with. Period. Left and Right can agree with that.

Now have Leftists been defending Muslims that are not radicalized? Damn straight. Of course we would defend them because Muslims and Leftists have something in common.

They are both under a "sustained assault" by the Right Wing Christian Conservatives. The Right Wing Christians like to build this false narrative that they are under constant attack by the Left because we refuse to let them interject their faith-based ideas in to secular law, and we refuse to allow the freedoms of people to be suppressed. When they are rejected due to their desire to oppress, they turn drama queen and claim that they are under attack and there is a "war" on against them.

But in all reality it is the Right Wing Christians that have been doing exactly what they blame the Left of. They demonize and misrepresent Islam and Muslims (non-radicalized) to push their political narrative, and they absolutely hate Leftists because we are the only thing standing between them and an oppressive theocracy. Or as it should be called, the Right Wing Christian version of Sharia Law.

Us Leftists are also the only thing standing between Right Wing Christians and the potential for genocide.

Leftists defend the right of all people to believe whatever they want to believe. That is their freedom to do so, whether it's Islam or Christianity. Right Wing Christians have a hard time understanding that because churches and right wing propaganda has instilled a superiority complex (American exceptionalism) of sorts in to these people and they cannot begin to understand how freedom and individual rights can apply to groups that are not in lock-step with their beliefs.

So that is why we defend Muslims. They are our brothers in a fight against a group of people that wish to use their religion and politics as a means of oppression against us. When we fight against that oppression, they have to equate Muslims with radicalization and claim the Left is attacking Christianity.

We are not attacking Christianity. We just happen to notice that the Right Wing Christians are becoming exactly what they claim the Muslims will become; a radical religious force that will try to change law and culture to reflect their religious beliefs.

originally posted by: TechniXcality

Bingo, nail on the freaking head!! And quoted for truth, people need to get it through theirs heads liberals and conservatives alike who call Islam out on this bull# are standing up for the opressed and that these so called "liberals" who argue against these nuances, argue for nothing they are just as bad as sympathizers.

Nobody has any problem with someone calling out a Radical for being Radical. You find a Radical who advocates killing gays or whatever, call them out all you want.

What we have a problem with is calling out "Radical" then pointing to a bunch of people who may or may not be Radical but are being accused all the same.

Take out all the Radicals you want, but you can't include every Muslim based on the actions of some Muslims. Just like you can't include all Christians for the actions of some Christians.

a reply to: Kali74

Why do we speak up about Christian Fundamentalism rather than Islamic Fundamentalism? Because Christian Fundamentalism affects us (in the West, especially in the US). Where is Islamic Fundamentalism? In Islamic countries, therefor none of our business. Yes there are Islamic Fundamentalists here in the West but where is it in our culture? Our laws and government policies? Nowhere. It's private or communal... none of our business.

Would you speak up against Nazism even if it was occurring in another country? The British had the same idea when Churchill warned of Nazi armament. He was ridiculed as alarmist. I guess it was none of his business.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

Because Christians respect the rule of law of the land.

Are you implying that Muslims don't?? Are you implying that All Muslims believe the same as Radical Muslims believe???

Because what I see is that Some Christians respect the rule of law, some don't. Just like some Muslims respect the rule of law, some don't.

a reply to: Metallicus

Think about it for a moment...by "trolling" conservatives, they can illicit an irrational response from them, further proving the liberals claims that conservatives are xenophobic, bigoted and intolerant.

originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

Because Christians respect the rule of law of the land.

Are you implying that Muslims don't?? Are you implying that All Muslims believe the same as Radical Muslims believe???

Because what I see is that Some Christians respect the rule of law, some don't. Just like some Muslims respect the rule of law, some don't.

And here you are drawing that moral equivalence proving argument three from the OP.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: kaylaluv

And it didn't take long for some to resort to implying that all Muslims rape women and throw gays off of buildings.

Homosexuality is a sin punishable by death in some Islamic countries. Do you agree with this?

No, but that's a cultural issue more than an Islamic issue. The key word here is "some".

a reply to: MystikMushroom

The very fact that you put "trolling" in quotes like that means that you dont' think of it as trolling at all which means you likely fully approve of the behavior.

a reply to: introvert

Exactly, and while right-wing Christians scream in terror over "sharia law" -- liberal-minded people are terrified of radical right-wing Christians doing the same with "Christian law".

I don't want to live in a Christian theocracy anymore than Christians want to live under Islamic law.

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: kaylaluv

And it didn't take long for some to resort to implying that all Muslims rape women and throw gays off of buildings.

Homosexuality is a sin punishable by death in some Islamic countries. Do you agree with this?

No, but that's a cultural issue more than an Islamic issue. The key word here is "some".

I see, but when "some" Christian nations outlaw things related to homosexuality, it is a religious issue and not a cultural one? See Africa.

a reply to: mOjOm

Let's talk about numbers the general conservative number of extremist (non-jihadist but hold extremists views and sympathize with jihadists) is 28% so somewhere around 300 million Muslims support these actions that we call extreme and the bombings and destruction of the west. Yes I know you all hate pew polls and actually defining how big of a problem it really is.

The whole point we are arguing is.

Islam must undergo reform, the same way Christianity did, now will it eliminate ALL extremists by undergoing reform no it won't, but it will significantly decrease that number to where we have a safer and less war torn world, period end of story.

a reply to: mOjOm

Are you implying that Muslims don't?? Are you implying that All Muslims believe the same as Radical Muslims believe???

Because what I see is that Some Christians respect the rule of law, some don't. Just like some Muslims respect the rule of law, some don't.

I'm saying respecting human law is in the Bible, as told by Jesus. It's not in the Quran. I'm not speaking of individual christians or muslims. As is proven, Islam under the rule of law is quite moderate. When left to its own devices and own laws, it is not.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: introvert

Exactly, and while right-wing Christians scream in terror over "sharia law" -- liberal-minded people are terrified of radical right-wing Christians doing the same with "Christian law".

I don't want to live in a Christian theocracy anymore than Christians want to live under Islamic law.

WHat exactly is "Christian Law"? I've never heard of it despite having been a Christian all my life.

a reply to: ketsuko

I do, because it's not really trolling -- it's exposing the right-wing agenda for what it is...fear, hate, intolerance and ignorance all mashed up into some kind of righteous neo-crusade and neo-holy war against those of a different faith and skin color.

If they really had some stones, they'd be boarding boats in large numbers with all their AR-15's and tactical gear from Amazon. These folks would be shipping themselves overseas to fight ISIS themselves, emblazoned with the religious iconography of their choosing.

a reply to: ketsuko

That's what people on the outside who have perspective call injecting Christian theology into secular government. Deny it all you want, but when you drag Christian ethos into government, it becomes quite literally "Christian Law".

Sharia law is the same thing, just a different Abrahamic religion.

originally posted by: ketsuko

And here you are drawing that moral equivalence proving argument three from the OP.

How is that??? I'm asking a question. I'm not stating a position. You know what a question is don't you??? Do you know what the difference between someone asking a question stating a position???

originally posted by: DOCHOLIDAZE1
are you also proud that you label yourself as to split up the peasants even more. Its people that label themselves as to divide us into separate tribes is the reason why the GOV can get away with whatever they want through lies and manipulation.

I understand why you say that but it's what I am. I'm a liberal but!

originally posted by: DOCHOLIDAZE1
I am not saying we should all hold hands and sing kumbiya, but instead of of fighting each other we should take a look around, access the situation, and realize who the real enemy is, and then communicate with all those around you whom are in the same situation about the next step in order to prevent the GOV from further dived and conquer tactics, as well as all the other evil acts that the GOV bestows upon the peasants.

I totally agree on that.
I think we can all come to agreement by working together. Different views on problems can give us more different solutions than us having all the same view.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

And the best part of it is ... it then exposes how much you fear that and thrive off of promoting fear of that yourself for your own ends.