Why Liberals Admire and Romanticize Islam

a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

There is no entity that represents me. There is no entity that represents any of the common people... that is the problem.

originally posted by: theMediator
I'm a proud liberal and I can say that I defend muslims as much as I would defend the rights of everyone to have their own beliefs. I never heard of liberals, outside of TV propaganda, defending RADICAL Islamists but I've heard conservatives defend KKK's.

Then again, conservatives can't grasp liberal thinking AT ALL, so I guess the only thing they can resort to is other conservatives online that also don't understand liberal thinking.

UM...LOL....the KKK was started by the Democrats, anti slavery bills were voted down by the same dems.

In fact, most of the dems of modern times are the biggest racists I ever hear about.

In fact, it is liberals who are the biggest racists of all.

Here, I will explain.

Affirmative action= blacks cant compete on equal footing, therefore they need special help to achieve the same.

Sure at one point it was necessary because of the overall racism of the country, about 70 years ago, but today it is dumb.

NAACP= blacks need special advocates, because they cant lobby for themselves like whites can.

In short, it is the Democratic party that are the biggest racists, because they assume blacks and other minorities cant compete with the "white man" on a level field.

Everything they do to "help" blacks, proves they think blacks are inferior, thus need help, constantly, just to achieve the same.

It is called projection in psychology.

They see the racism inside themselves, and project it onto conservatives, falsly believing they think just like them.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

AT the cost of human life?
Not too Schmucking fart.
Enabling ,backing or attempting to identify with a faith that maintains such LARGE, psychotic group ,just to snub Christianity?
I doubt that is it.

a reply to: tothetenthpower

No person of sound mind, liberal or conservative, support 'Radical Islam'.

Something everyone seems to forget is 'radical' only pertains to our views. It's not 'radical' to cut off a hand in SA

There have been studies done which show that those on the "Left" see the world through "Atruistic" lenses in their minds. Things like borders, sovereignty, National Pride, and self preservation are secondary.

While "Right" leaning thinkers see the world as a place with borders, self preservation minded, more socially and directly communal with their immediate neighbors, with less of an attention on the 'Global Construct"

Some could argue "Left and Right" views are inherent at birth. There have been books written about the subject that are very interesting.

originally posted by: FlySolo
a reply to: tothetenthpower

No person of sound mind, liberal or conservative, support 'Radical Islam'.

Something everyone seems to forget is 'radical' only pertains to our views. It's not 'radical' to cut off a hand in SA

It's not radical to poison water in the West.

It's not even radical to electrocute/inject people to death for certain crimes.


Is this a pissing contest or as originally posted an attack on liberalism?

originally posted by: Blazemore2000
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

There is no entity that represents me. There is no entity that represents any of the common people... that is the problem.

But the DNC sure does PRETEND to represent you. And their poll numbers drop yearly now...if this continues, where will anyone with a "Left" ideology run to?

originally posted by: SaturnFX

originally posted by: Metallicus

Shouldn’t liberalism hate Islam at least as much as it hates Christianity?
Yes, it should, but it isn’t. Why?

Let me try my hand at this
So first answer to this question: Yes (well, hate may not be the right word, but close enough. dismiss, criticize, etc)

First off, I am not speaking to anyone in particular with this posting so there is no need to be offended unless you are one of the hypocrites to which the author is alluding. I have often pondered WHY liberal apologists are so adamant about defending Islam, a much more barbaric religion, instead of Christianity.

Liberals aren't islam apologists.
Progressives are, but progressives are not liberals, they are anti-liberal cultists hiding in the ranks of liberals. (a bit like radical religious are hiding in the ranks of conservatives)
As far as why liberals may be more vocal about christianity, well, in the west (where liberalism is strong), that is the major religion and what is the common experience, but yes, all religions should be treated the same. Islam is the bottom barrel religious oppression and anyone who says otherwise is delusional. They deserve no sympathy, its a gross social outcome wherever islam is established.
Christianity has merits and flaws, but end of the day, I dont care what a person practices or believes in personally..only issue is when its pushed into the public in regards to laws, tax dollars, etc..then its a problem in a secular society.

So why is it the extremist liberals identify so closely with extremist Islam?

They dont. extremist liberals at best will become people like Dawkins, making sure to laugh loud and hard at all religions.
Why do Progressives? fair question.
My pet theory is that progressives are basically anti-western. If you research their dogma, they are creating "safe spaces" in universities, meaning censorship and the idea of segregation. Women in media being covered up, and a moving away from specific religions while propping up others. a thought police with real world consequences.
I see them as snakes. this is a conspiracy board, feel free to push that further.
progressives are gross.
Horseshoe theory here, they are so extreme left that they dont register anywhere near where the liberals (classic sense) stand. Laugh loudly at them whenever possible.

Obvious, but it must be mentioned. Liberals have identified Muslims as an aggrieved minority,

Progressives have. a liberal see's muslims not as a nationality, but a religion, and if we are going with minorities of religion..gonna go with wiccan as the need to be protected
As far as middle eastern nationalities..meh, they're more of them than white people by far (if we include india). they dont qualify as a minority under any sense of the word.

2. It makes them feel good.

Progressives do this not to feel good, but to feel superior. The irony of course is that the logic is inferior.

Liberalism is an inherently selfish ideology.

Then you dont understand liberalism.

Classical liberalism is a political ideology that values the freedom of individuals — including the freedom of religion, speech, press, assembly, and markets — as well as limited government. It developed in 18th-century Europe and drew on the economic writings of Adam Smith and the growing notion of social progress.

Progressives have taken this and turned it upside down. progressives are anti-liberal

Stopped here as the rest was just a bunch of nonsense really. classic liberalism is a great ideology that seemingly should be the staplemark of any advanced society. progressive anti-liberals that are acutely anti-western, anti-liberal are muddying the waters and have been increasingly so in the name of "social equality and justice"...which makes no sense. you cannot enforce social equality, social dynamics are fluid and will manifest in a million ways individual to tastes...equality for social progress only means legal framework to allow people to be who they want.

Anyhow, just felt the need to split a hair.

A real "LIBERAL", havent seen to many around, most are progressives.

I actually fall into the liberal category, but since it was coopted by progresives, I identify as a libertarian or conservative these days.

Great post!!!

a reply to: Blackmarketeer

For the purposes of getting reelected,like EVERY other politician on the planet.

a reply to: Metallicus

I am an unapologetic liberal who is critical of all the Abrahamic faiths equally. Defending a person who is Muslim is not the same as defending Islam.

When a Christian talks of how the Koran preaches violence and then I show them even more violent verses in their Christian bible, I am accused of "defending Islam". I'm thinking "No, dumbasses, I'm not defending any of your cults; I'm simply pointing out that yours also has horrible commandments".

When a liberal speaks out against the idea of specifically banning Muslims from entering the country, the liberal gets accused of "defending Islam". Again, no. If we had a ban on Christians, we would also be attacking that.

The reason many conservatives are confused by the liberal rhetoric is because many liberals are "unaffiliated" when it comes to the Abrahamic faiths and we don't approach it with the mindset of "Christian = American and Muslim = Anti-American" since both religions have very anti-American values.

But one thing I do agree with is that the overall general rhetoric from liberals should include more criticism towards the literal application of Islam just like we would if Christians started taking the bible literally and began stoning ill-behaved children in the streets.

I think Christianity is simply more on the radar in regards to its influence on our nation therefore it gets focused on more. I believe that is unfair but it would be the case if any other religion dominated the government for decades.

When you take an Authoritarian RIGHT organization like ISIS, who's mission is to invade and overturn traditionally WHITE "Western" nations and civilizations....

And couple THAT... with the almost INNATE and uncontrollable desire of the average "Liberal" voter to be altruistic, emotional, and "philanthropic"...to the point of self degradation and risking danger...

You have a PROBLEM...

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

We aren't talking about a segment we are talking about supporting the whole in spite of the radical segment.
the radical faction is being ignored,for the purposes of social acceptance and political positions.
THAT is what we have trouble with ...as well as targeting issues.
Islam should have cleaned up when Christianity did after the dark ages,Christians aren't perfect on that we can all agree,but using MODERN Christianity as a comparator doesn't balance as there is more poverty in the middle east due to rampant xenophoblia,greed of the leaders, and social undermining by the hostile factions,and the clear fact that moderates haven't and aren't stopping them.

a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

To me what you got is sadomasochism, which reminds me I need to go find me a nice liberal woman.

a reply to: TechniXcality

Wouldn't last a day...
She would HATE the range.

a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

The cheese stands alone. Yes the Dems play at representing the common man, just the same way that the Republicans do the exact same thing.

"wolves in sheep's clothing."

I can say no more.

I can't speak for "all liberals" because liberals are by and large individualists who think for themselves and don't agree on much.

American Muslims get defended by me when Christians want to imply they don't have the same rights under the Constitution as we all do.

I'm leftist. Government serves a narrow channel that can be overly generalized to "protecting the general welfare of the People as well as individual People."

The US System has been one of the best in the world at maintaining a balance between Statism and Individualism.

There have been notable exceptions, as there are no absolutes because those who believe in absolutes (outside of physical reality) are typically extremists.

Absolutism is my enemy, absolutely.

(I'm sure this doesn't serve the Conservative vs. Liberal narrative either.)

a reply to: theMediator

are you also proud that you label yourself as to split up the peasants even more. Its people that label themselves as to divide us into separate tribes is the reason why the GOV can get away with whatever they want through lies and manipulation.


I am not saying we should all hold hands and sing kumbiya, but instead of of fighting each other we should take a look around, access the situation, and realize who the real enemy is, and then communicate with all those around you whom are in the same situation about the next step in order to prevent the GOV from further dived and conquer tactics, as well as all the other evil acts that the GOV bestows upon the peasants.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Annee

Then it should be easy for you to argue against it's points, instead of dismissing it outright.

Give me a legitimate piece. Something that's not ridiculous.

Liberal is just the "Catch All Bucket" for everything Extremists don't like.

I was a 40 year Republican, until they went insane becoming the Extremist Fundamental Christian party.

Because I support Equal Rights (in all areas, including religious belief) --- that apparently makes me Liberal according to our own home grown Extremists. Even though I am fiscally conservative, support war, have guns, etc.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs

originally posted by: FlySolo
a reply to: tothetenthpower

No person of sound mind, liberal or conservative, support 'Radical Islam'.

Something everyone seems to forget is 'radical' only pertains to our views. It's not 'radical' to cut off a hand in SA

It's not radical to poison water in the West.

It's not even radical to electrocute/inject people to death for certain crimes.


Is this a pissing contest or as originally posted an attack on liberalism?

I held you to a higher standard. Apparently I'm wrong. In CANADA where I'm from, we don't inject anyone, so there goes that argument down the drain. If you are seriously considering jumping into an argument on radicalism armed with the intent to say, that the western judicial system is just as radical as Sharia law or what Muslim dominated countries deem appropriate is akin to our values, you are out of touch. Out of touch so much you are unable to even discriminate between a reality based debate versus pure fantasy.